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Romney vs. Obama 2012 is looking a lot like Kerry vs. Bush 2004

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May 23, 2012
Recent national and state-by-state polls by a variety of reputable polling firms indicate a tightening race between a controversial incumbent president and his challenger from Massachusetts, just as they did around this time in 2004. Then, as now, electoral prognosticators believed the outcome of the race would hinge on results from a few key states. And the 2012 opposition party, as it did in 2004, will likely nominate an establishment-backed “consensus” candidate, someone who "will do" as the nominee but who doesn’t quite pass the enthusiasm test with the party base in the same way Bill ClintonBill Clinton did in 1992 or Ronald ReaganRonald Reagan did in 1980, the last two times an incumbent U.S. president was defeated in his re-election bid.
As we all know, incumbent President George W. BushGeorge W. Bush was re-elected in 2004, but only by 120,000 or so votes in Ohio. Had John KerryJohn Kerry prevailed in the Buckeye State that year, he would have joined Reagan and Clinton in toppling an incumbent. But Kerry’s bid came up short, and there was a lot of post-mortem dissection of where his campaign went wrong. Bar room pundits, as well as those paid to talk or write before they went out for drinks, agreed that Kerry lost because so much of his message appeared to be about running against Bush and not on behalf of his own vision for the country.
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At this point in the campaign, despite the tightening numbers, Obama seems to be in the driver’s seat. Unless Kerry can challenge his inner Reagan or Clinton -- or at least a truly likeable version of Willard Mitt RomneyMitt Romney – he appears doomed to fail. It’s important to remember that Bush’s favorability numbers dropped to 47 percent about three weeks before the 2004 election, but he still recovered in time to win. So unless Obama takes a big dive while Romney soars to heights as yet unattained, historical indicators are pointing toward Obama’s re-election.
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I have thought for some time that Romney is in the the same position as Kerry was. Both facing incumbent president with rapidly dropping popularity.

Kerry's looked like a dork when he came on the Democrat stage and announced, "I'm John Kerry and I am reporting for duty" while saluting. Who in hell advised him to do that? Kerry thought he could just coast on the anti-Bush fervor

Romney is seen as a member of the super elite rich in this country. Romney as Commander-in-Chief brings back that awkward memory of Kerry saluting on stage. This is a guy whom nobody in his family including his 5 adult males never felt the urge to serve in the military. Of course there will be a chorus of responses that Obama didn't serve and that is true but his grandfather did. But on the Romney side you have a huge number of males who sat back and let somebody else's son serve.

Just as shocked were we when Bush won the second time I think some people are going to be shocked in 2012.
Romney vs. Obama 2012 is looking a lot like Kerry vs. Bush 2004
 
I think you may be on to something. Romney seems to be coasting along right now on being "the guy who isn't Obama." There's only a certain amount of votes you can get by being "not him." That'll probably top off in the mid to high 40's. To get over that hump, you need something people want to vote for. Or, you can do what Bush did, and win the right states.

There's always a certain amount of "I'm not the guy that's there now." Bush capitalized on it in '00, and Obama did it in '08. Just thinking back to '00 and at least some of Bush's message was "I won't get blown by the interns." At least some of Obama's win came from Bush-fatigue.

Don't read too much into it yet, but if Romney's still running as "the other guy" in October, there's a problem.
 
It's unlikely that Romney can win. He's really encumbered by his party and their incessant demands to make morality a primary issue. Too bad that the morality doesn't extend to the bankers and their cohorts.

America is in some decline. Jobs and good pay are becoming ever more distant for the "ordinary man". More and more people are going on the dole. If people vote their pocketbooks, and they often do, Obusha is more likely to send free money out than Romney is. Neither one has any plans or leadership qualities. The entire campaign is attacking the other guy, with increasingly exaggerated and ludicrous claims.
 
I saw an article somewhere where a couple experts were asked. I wish I could find it again. They say that Romney could be sitting on a brilliant tactic. Right now President Obama is spending madly and working very hard to bash Romney. Romney is sitting on a growing war chest. The last few weeks before the election are the ones that matter with most swing voters. The ones paying attention in the republican primary and right now are more likely to be set in their vote anyway. The increased attention towards the end is the group that is most likely to be swayed.

Coming into the end, Romney could blast a ton of his money all over the place and let fly. it might be enough of a push to settle it.

Now, this was opinions of other camps, not Romney's. Who's to say what his eventual plan is?
 
I do not think it will be a surprise if Obama wins because in electoral college votes I think he stands a way better chance to keep the presidency than that Romney would get past the magic number of electoral votes and become president. All major states except Florida are already decided (Texas for Romney, California/NY to Obama). Then there are loads of solid blue and red states which brings this election down to less than 10 states and Romney will have to get almost all of them IMHO to become president and I do not believe he will succeed in that.
 
Crosscheck said:
May 23, 2012I have thought for some time that Romney is in the the same position as Kerry was. Both facing incumbent president with rapidly dropping popularity.

Kerry's looked like a dork when he came on the Democrat stage and announced, "I'm John Kerry and I am reporting for duty" while saluting. Who in hell advised him to do that? Kerry thought he could just coast on the anti-Bush fervor

Romney is seen as a member of the super elite rich in this country. Romney as Commander-in-Chief brings back that awkward memory of Kerry saluting on stage. This is a guy whom nobody in his family including his 5 adult males never felt the urge to serve in the military. Of course there will be a chorus of responses that Obama didn't serve and that is true but his grandfather did. But on the Romney side you have a huge number of males who sat back and let somebody else's son serve.

Just as shocked were we when Bush won the second time I think some people are going to be shocked in 2012.
Romney vs. Obama 2012 is looking a lot like Kerry vs. Bush 2004
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Oh boy his grandfather did. Now that really gives Obama military status. Clinton did not serve, nor did Obama. And you mention Kerry who lied about his military service.

Yeah reelect Obama, continue to explode our national debt by another 6 Trillion, unemployment remains over 8%, GDP remains at an anemic 1% growth rate. That's putting American back to work!!!!!!!!!
 
Born Free said:
Oh boy his grandfather did. Now that really gives Obama military status. Clinton did not serve, nor did Obama. And you mention Kerry who lied about his military service.

Yeah reelect Obama, continue to explode our national debt by another 6 Trillion, unemployment remains over 8%, GDP remains at an anemic 1% growth rate. That's putting American back to work!!!!!!!!!
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At least Obama had a recent family member who served. The Romney clan are just too good for standing in fatigues.
 
I tend to think this election season will mimic 1980. It was at this time as well, that the hard-left democrats were crowing about Carter, and how he was always "on the right track," yet never really did anything. He too said that he "needed four more years." He too blamed the previous administrations for his own administration's failures.

Both candidates were never too far away from each other in the polls, until the last debate, right before the election. That was when Reagan asked viewers if their lives had improved or not, within the last four years. That was a question that Carter's mudslinging couldn't defend against. It ended up being a landslide for Reagan.

I'm not saying this will be a landslide for Romney, but aside from mudslinging, Obama has no legs to stand on as far as anything he's "accomplished."
 
Crosscheck said:
May 23, 2012






I have thought for some time that Romney is in the the same position as Kerry was. Both facing incumbent president with rapidly dropping popularity.

Kerry's looked like a dork when he came on the Democrat stage and announced, "I'm John Kerry and I am reporting for duty" while saluting. Who in hell advised him to do that? Kerry thought he could just coast on the anti-Bush fervor

Romney is seen as a member of the super elite rich in this country. Romney as Commander-in-Chief brings back that awkward memory of Kerry saluting on stage. This is a guy whom nobody in his family including his 5 adult males never felt the urge to serve in the military. Of course there will be a chorus of responses that Obama didn't serve and that is true but his grandfather did. But on the Romney side you have a huge number of males who sat back and let somebody else's son serve.

Just as shocked were we when Bush won the second time I think some people are going to be shocked in 2012.
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Aside from the familys military experience, I think the post is a good one. Running as the "I'm not my opponent" is an awfully ineffective way to win the presidency. At the very least, you have to get people to like you, a task which seems impossible for Romney to pull off. Even republicans don't like him
 
Only way Romney at the moment can win, is if the GOP governor's and state legislatures start changing the rules from "winner take all" to splitting the electoral college in states. Add to that utterly gerrymandered districts then even a state like Pennsylvania where the popular vote will go to Obama, will send more electoral college votes to Romney. Basically, the GOP can easily steal the election.
 
Crosscheck said:
May 23, 2012






I have thought for some time that Romney is in the the same position as Kerry was. Both facing incumbent president with rapidly dropping popularity.

Kerry's looked like a dork when he came on the Democrat stage and announced, "I'm John Kerry and I am reporting for duty" while saluting. Who in hell advised him to do that? Kerry thought he could just coast on the anti-Bush fervor

Romney is seen as a member of the super elite rich in this country. Romney as Commander-in-Chief brings back that awkward memory of Kerry saluting on stage. This is a guy whom nobody in his family including his 5 adult males never felt the urge to serve in the military. Of course there will be a chorus of responses that Obama didn't serve and that is true but his grandfather did. But on the Romney side you have a huge number of males who sat back and let somebody else's son serve.

Just as shocked were we when Bush won the second time I think some people are going to be shocked in 2012.
Romney vs. Obama 2012 is looking a lot like Kerry vs. Bush 2004
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Kerry and Romney are the same because they are both risk-averse reactors instead of taking initiatives and attack, that puts them in defensive position which makes them look unlikeable. Thinking yourself above lies (mistake McCain and Kerry did) are not good campaign moves. Not getting your story straight like Romney has done is also not a good move. Romney is allowing others to define him now, by the time election comes his image might be so set, there's nothing he can do. Even now there are still idiots out there who believe the swiftboat liars.
 
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I thought that Romney seems to resemble Kerry way before seeing this article.
 
Crosscheck said:
May 23, 2012






I have thought for some time that Romney is in the the same position as Kerry was. Both facing incumbent president with rapidly dropping popularity.

Kerry's looked like a dork when he came on the Democrat stage and announced, "I'm John Kerry and I am reporting for duty" while saluting. Who in hell advised him to do that? Kerry thought he could just coast on the anti-Bush fervor

Romney is seen as a member of the super elite rich in this country. Romney as Commander-in-Chief brings back that awkward memory of Kerry saluting on stage. This is a guy whom nobody in his family including his 5 adult males never felt the urge to serve in the military. Of course there will be a chorus of responses that Obama didn't serve and that is true but his grandfather did. But on the Romney side you have a huge number of males who sat back and let somebody else's son serve.

Just as shocked were we when Bush won the second time I think some people are going to be shocked in 2012.
Romney vs. Obama 2012 is looking a lot like Kerry vs. Bush 2004
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This Bain thing and being caught in lies will finish off Willard for good.
 
Crosscheck said:
May 23, 2012






I have thought for some time that Romney is in the the same position as Kerry was. Both facing incumbent president with rapidly dropping popularity.

Kerry's looked like a dork when he came on the Democrat stage and announced, "I'm John Kerry and I am reporting for duty" while saluting. Who in hell advised him to do that? Kerry thought he could just coast on the anti-Bush fervor

Romney is seen as a member of the super elite rich in this country. Romney as Commander-in-Chief brings back that awkward memory of Kerry saluting on stage. This is a guy whom nobody in his family including his 5 adult males never felt the urge to serve in the military. Of course there will be a chorus of responses that Obama didn't serve and that is true but his grandfather did. But on the Romney side you have a huge number of males who sat back and let somebody else's son serve.

Just as shocked were we when Bush won the second time I think some people are going to be shocked in 2012.
Romney vs. Obama 2012 is looking a lot like Kerry vs. Bush 2004
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Like Bush vs Kerry.Romney is a flip flopper.Heck he is such a flip flopper he makes Kerry look like someone solid long lasting beliefs.
 
jamesrage said:
Like Bush vs Kerry.Romney is a flip flopper.Heck he is such a flip flopper he makes Kerry look like someone solid long lasting beliefs.
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I understand many are unhappy with the state of our country and want to blame Obama. Even if McCain won in 2008 I really doubt we would be that far different at the place we are now.

So we come to 2012 and the option to Obama is Romney. Voting for Romney is like the faulty rebound marriage many make quickly after a divorce. "oh, lets marry him, he looks good".
Even Romney's own advisor has said that Romney can change his direction like shaking a Etch-A-Sketch.

This first marriage may not be the best but I am not going to marry a chameleon.
 
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