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At what point does flip-flopping become lying?

NAKED N00B said:
It becomes lying when the intent is deceit. I've change my mind on plenty of issues, often going back to opinions I had previously tossed aside. That's not flip flopping because I've done it while weighing evidence and using logic to deduce my new positions. It's lying when the switch is made in order to intentionally deceive people as to what you believe in.
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Finally....someone actually answered the thread question....Woo Hoo.
 
MaggieD said:
Wow. I'll give you credit. You, or someone, went to a lot of work to pull this information together. I can't imagine why, though. Somebody must be pretty worried. Most of these statements don't seem like lying to me -- or even changing one's mind. Maybe I'm missing something.
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Don't leave yourself open like that...................
 
MaggieD said:
Wow. I'll give you credit. You, or someone, went to a lot of work to pull this information together. I can't imagine why, though. Somebody must be pretty worried. Most of these statements don't seem like lying to me -- or even changing one's mind. Maybe I'm missing something.
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He's now saying the exact opposite on most of them to win over the GOP base.
 
It's obvious that everything he says could be called a lie but he is just saying what he thinks people want to hear. It's what CEO's get paid so much for and stockholders love them for it...as long as the talking makes them money of course.

For example, was this speech by GW. Bush a lie?

And so, therefore, I've called -- yesterday, I called upon the private sector to help us and help the home buyers. We need more capital in the private markets for first-time, low-income buyers. And I'm proud to report that Fannie Mae has heard the call and, as I understand, it's about $440 billion over a period of time. They've used their influence to create that much capital available for the type of home buyer we're talking about here. It's in their charter; it now needs to be implemented. Freddie Mac is interested in helping. I appreciate both of those agencies providing the underpinnings of good capital.
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http://archives.hud.gov/remarks/martinez/speeches/presremarks.cfm
 
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Flip Flopping AKA getting in touch with your base.

The funny thing about politics, when you start out its usually something small representing a small constituency. I saw this when my father went from a city counsel-man to a probate judge. He went from representing a city to a whole county.

What is most important to a city might not be the most important thing for a county. What is important to one state may not be whats most important to the whole country. You can't please everyone but as a public servant I'd hope you'd make it your duty to please as many as possible.
 
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I would imagine a lot of Wall Street types who had such vast success that they found they could translate it into political power suffer from Romney's apparent malaise. If you are a numbers guy, or a finance guy, or an M&A guru, you may not have any hard formulated opinions on matters outside laissez faire econ. So he probably truly lacks a cogent or holistic ontology translating into rubber meet the road policy positions. In short, he is ignorant.
 
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