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2012 is not 2008

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Posted at 01:45 PM ET, 06/19/2012
2012 is not 2008
By Jennifer Rubin

President Obama might still pull out the election, but it won’t be because of a bevy of accomplishments or because he has run a brilliant campaign. (Basically the demonization of Mitt Romney will have to succeed or the economy to come roaring back for Obama to win this.)

It’s a source of fascination for the chattering class that Obama ran, as they put it, such a “brilliant” campaign in 2008 and such a lousy one in 2012. But it’s not all that shocking, especially when you look how different 2012 is from 2008.

2012 is not 2012 - Washington Post

To Jennifer Rubin's list of reasons, I would add that O has never, since first running for the Illinois Senate in 1996, actually run on his record. No wonder this is so hard!
 
Poor Barry, so many campaign promises (512), so little results.
 
wbcoleman said:
<...snipped to get to the point....> To Jennifer Rubin's list of reasons, I would add that O has never, since first running for the Illinois Senate in 1996, actually run on his record. No wonder this is so hard!
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He also has benefited from running against weak candidates, something he will also enjoy in 2012.
 
upsideguy said:
He also has benefited from running against weak candidates, something he will also enjoy in 2012.
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reminds me of bush kery in 04,how can the dumbest prez ever get re ellected????simple find someone dumber to run against him.

bush won in 04 cuz who was gonna vote the guy whos entire strategy was im not bush,bush is bad im good vote for me cuz im not him!!!i have a plan but you need to elect me to find out what it is!!!

if romney follows that path,he will lose by a landslide,because bush even after being called the dumbest prez ever had a plan,and as we say in the military,bad leadershipis better than none!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
upsideguy said:
He also has benefited from running against weak candidates, something he will also enjoy in 2012.
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beerftw said:
reminds me of bush kery in 04,how can the dumbest prez ever get re ellected????simple find someone dumber to run against him.

bush won in 04 cuz who was gonna vote the guy whos entire strategy was im not bush,bush is bad im good vote for me cuz im not him!!!i have a plan but you need to elect me to find out what it is!!!

if romney follows that path,he will lose by a landslide,because bush even after being called the dumbest prez ever had a plan,and as we say in the military,bad leadershipis better than none!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I have never been a big fan of Mitt Romney, but I think he's all-in and is going to run a very strong campaign, something O hasn't seen since Bobby Rush crushed him in 2000.
 
wbcoleman said:
I have never been a big fan of Mitt Romney, but I think he's all-in and is going to run a very strong campaign, something O hasn't seen since Bobby Rush crushed him in 2000.
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Yes, Romney has run a brilliant campaign of not standing for anything and he won't comment until the polls are in. Romney is more in line with Kerry's "Help is on the way" speeches rather than seriously running a campaign.

Dems learned in 2004 that can't run a successful "Anyone but the president" campaign and win. Republicans are going to learn this lesson well when they lose in 2012.

The only bright note for Republicans is that some have learned this and are focusing more on congressional elections than the presidential.
 
In general, I agree with the writers general bullet points. This goes back to my suggestion that part of the thing with the 2008 election is that is trascended politics and entered into pop culture. Every Presidentail Candidate tries it (Remember Clinton on MTV?) but this was something entirely different. Obama didn't simply inject himself into pop culture...he BECAME pop culture. Voting for Obama was like buying a coach bag, it was a status symbol and a cultural talking point. That's not saying people didn't agree with him, like him, or anything like that. It means, to me, that there were far more people engaged in politics...talking about politics, being active in politics, etc...then there typically is because for that period of time Politics was "Cool" in part because Obama was "different".

2012...that's not really there. Like most pop culture fads, it passes. Like other pop culture fads, because it passes it doesn't necessarily mean it's not good...it's just not the "cool" thing anymore. Obama has been revealed plainly as just "another politician". Nothing wrong with that...but it's not exactly a status that's as easy to rally behind and make into a cultural movement.

Obama still has a strong shot to win, as all incumbants do. However, I believe the story in the OP is correct in that it will be an entirely different style and feel to the campaign as the situation surrounding Obama in 2008 is not going to be able to be repeated.
 
Pirvaya said:
View attachment 67129562 Obama’s Top 50 Accomplishments - By Paul Glastris, Ryan Cooper, and Siyu Hu The Washington Monthly - The Magazine - Obama’s Top 50 Accomplishments View attachment 67129563View attachment 67129564
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You realize weekly new jobless benefits claims hasn't been under 350,000. We are literally losing almost twice as many jobs as being created or more almost 4 years after Obama took office. I don't think I'd be bragging about that. US Initial Claims for Unemployment Insurance Chart
 
TheNextEra said:
Yes, Romney has run a brilliant campaign of not standing for anything and he won't comment until the polls are in. Romney is more in line with Kerry's "Help is on the way" speeches rather than seriously running a campaign.

Dems learned in 2004 that can't run a successful "Anyone but the president" campaign and win. Republicans are going to learn this lesson well when they lose in 2012.

The only bright note for Republicans is that some have learned this and are focusing more on congressional elections than the presidential.
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The economy was roaring in 2004. That's why Bush won.
 
Do some people around here still not think that Ohio was stolen in 2004?
 
Phys251 said:
Do some people around here still not think that Ohio was stolen in 2004?
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Most people! Probably everybody who doesn't label themselves as "liberal" or "progressive"! :lamo
 
TheNextEra said:
Yes, Romney has run a brilliant campaign of not standing for anything and he won't comment until the polls are in. Romney is more in line with Kerry's "Help is on the way" speeches rather than seriously running a campaign.

Dems learned in 2004 that can't run a successful "Anyone but the president" campaign and win. Republicans are going to learn this lesson well when they lose in 2012.

The only bright note for Republicans is that some have learned this and are focusing more on congressional elections than the presidential.
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Hey, not standing for anything concrete and running as "anyone but..." worked in 2008!
 
wbcoleman said:
Hey, not standing for anything concrete and running as "anyone but..." worked in 2008!
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You can say that if you want, but I think McCain trying to pretend to be some hardcore conservative lost him the independent vote - I know he lost mine. I used to like McCain... until right about until he ran in 2008. He was a reasonable ****ing human being until then.
 
wbcoleman said:
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Posted at 01:45 PM ET, 06/19/2012
2012 is not 2008
By Jennifer Rubin

President Obama might still pull out the election, but it won’t be because of a bevy of accomplishments or because he has run a brilliant campaign. (Basically the demonization of Mitt Romney will have to succeed or the economy to come roaring back for Obama to win this.)

It’s a source of fascination for the chattering class that Obama ran, as they put it, such a “brilliant” campaign in 2008 and such a lousy one in 2012. But it’s not all that shocking, especially when you look how different 2012 is from 2008.

2012 is not 2012 - Washington Post

To Jennifer Rubin's list of reasons, I would add that O has never, since first running for the Illinois Senate in 1996, actually run on his record. No wonder this is so hard!
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God, how many more far-rigties are going to show up at DP posting the latest Fox talking point.

This is getting tiresome.
 
Obama won in '08 because he was the most credible Notbush running. This time around, it may not be so easy. Unfortunately for him, the Republicans didn't choose one of the lunatic fringe candidates who were running, but a moderate Republican who has some experience turning around failing financial entities and who can make a lot of people with different political philosophies think he's more in line with what they believe than the other guy. He does that by the oldest political trick in the book, which is talking a lot and saying nothing while taking no firm stance on any really important issue.

That said, Romney is probably the strongest candidate of hte two. Whether or not he can win depends on factors that are beyond the control of either candidate, such as the economy and the price of gas.

Has anyone noticed, BTW, the the cost of gas is coming down? The price of oil is also coming down. Interesting. This will add fuel to the Obama campaign, of course, and they're sure to capitalize on it in every way possible.

What a circus. Political campaigns are better than the Superbowl. If only we didn't have to live with the results.
 
Thanks... now I can update my calendar... whew, no wonder I wasn't making it into work on time...
 
IndepCentristMA said:
Thanks... now I can update my calendar... whew, no wonder I wasn't making it into work on time...
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Oh, this lasts a lot longer than the Superbowl, too, and can be followed on evenings and weekends. No need to be late to work.
 
Romney is to Obama as Kerry was to Bush...

I stick by that analogy. Democrats had the same egotism in 2004 that Republicans have in 2012. They think that there is no way America will reelect Obama just like Democrats thought there was no way America could reelect Bush.

Kerry and Romney have the charisma of a jar of mayo. They cannot appeal to the American public.

Bush and Obama have charisma. Wait until the presidential debates...I have a feeling Obama will tear Romney apart. Romney had a hard time debating against other Republicans. He always slips up ($10,000 Perry?)
 
AreteCourage said:
Romney is to Obama as Kerry was to Bush...

I stick by that analogy. Democrats had the same egotism in 2004 that Republicans have in 2012. They think that there is no way America will reelect Obama just like Democrats thought there was no way America could reelect Bush.

Kerry and Romney have the charisma of a jar of mayo. They cannot appeal to the American public.

Bush and Obama have charisma. Wait until the presidential debates...I have a feeling Obama will tear Romney apart. Romney had a hard time debating against other Republicans. He always slips up ($10,000 Perry?)
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Bush had charisma? Somehow, I didn't notice it when he was on TV giving his speeches. Of the four, Obama has more "charisma" than any of them. I'm not so sure that makes him the better candidate, but I'm sure it helps get him elected. That, along with the absurd charges about him being a Muslim terrorist, not an American, a Marxist, and so on that convinced no one who would ever vote for a Democrat anyway. Add to that McCain's failure to distance himself from Bush, his choice of a running mate, and you have a victory by a freshman senator who is still wet behind the ears. Of course he's changed some of his views. He was totally in over his head at the beginning of his term. Now, he has a better idea of how things really work in Washington, including why they don't work so well.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Bush had charisma? Somehow, I didn't notice it when he was on TV giving his speeches. Of the four, Obama has more "charisma" than any of them. I'm not so sure that makes him the better candidate, but I'm sure it helps get him elected. That, along with the absurd charges about him being a Muslim terrorist, not an American, a Marxist, and so on that convinced no one who would ever vote for a Democrat anyway. Add to that McCain's failure to distance himself from Bush, his choice of a running mate, and you have a victory by a freshman senator who is still wet behind the ears. Of course he's changed some of his views. He was totally in over his head at the beginning of his term. Now, he has a better idea of how things really work in Washington, including why they don't work so well.
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Bush had the charisma where when you heard him speak...it was so funny that we wanted to hear it again for 4 more years.

Think about this...without Bush we wouldn't have those great shows such as "That's my Bush," and "Lil' Bush."
 
whysoserious said:
You can say that if you want, but I think McCain trying to pretend to be some hardcore conservative lost him the independent vote - I know he lost mine. I used to like McCain... until right about until he ran in 2008. He was a reasonable ****ing human being until then.
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mccain had alot of appeal as an actual maveric pre election,i didnt agree with alot of what he did but heavily respected the fact he couldnt be controlled by either party.during 08 he dumped all his values in a bid for the whitehouse,and thats when i lost respect for him!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
beerftw said:
reminds me of bush kery in 04,how can the dumbest prez ever get re ellected????simple find someone dumber to run against him.
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You actually think John Kerry is less intelligent than Bush?

How do you define intelligence--ability to let failure roll off your back? If that's the case, then Bush is the most intelligent person in the world.
 
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Obama’s Top 50 Accomplishments - By Paul Glastris, Ryan Cooper, and Siyu Hu
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I like the first one on the list you site, Obamacare, that is so popular that 30 states are suing to kill it. And the other one that Obama has excelled over any president before him. The national debt, under Obama he will have raised the national debt by 6 trillion in just four yrs. Fantastic.
 
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