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o'Bama prostrating himself for Hispanics today.

TheDemSocialist said:
Interment camps=amnesty to immigrants?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....................................................

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Ah, could you please give us a "TheDemSocialist" approved list of what decades old policies that current parties must adhere to still and which ones it's they're allowed to change their views on? Perhaps that will help the issue since you want everyone to function in your imagination land rather than reality where over decades situations and factors can change leading to entire groups of people to change their opinion on various issues.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
What was wrong about it?
What affect did it have on the USA?
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Uhhh, 12-20 million illegals here - that's what it did.

I probably should expand upon that. I'll let you know what we here in the area experienced first hand from that decision. I'm in Oregon near Portland, used to be a bedroom community for an agricultural community.

Every year the pickers would arrive with the season. They'd stay at the farm provided housing or live at one of the two low rent apartment buildings built for the picker influx. Then when the season ended the INS (that's what they were called back then, the Immmigration and Naturalization Service) would drive their white vans through the complexes as a warning - season's over, time to return home. A week later they'd be back to catch and deport those who didn't get the message. Rinse, repeat.

Then the amnesty. They stayed and the schools that were once holding their own took a huge dump on the influx of students who spoke not a word of english, just like their parents (so there was no help from the household). It was very expensive and further lowered what we could offer mainstream students.

Our social services, same thing, innundated, still are today.

To cap it off, these new citizens, what was the first thing they did? Bring the family and relatives up (illegally) and the new legal citizen could shelter them and get them set up. They're still doing that. Except now, they have bought and made businesses to lengthen that support for the illegals they bring up. Bought apartment complexes and homes to shelter the folks they bring up. They know (and this is from personal contact with a good number of these folks) that if they can hold out long enough, can stay here, we'll eventually grant another amnesty, and they can start the process all over again.

ICE turns a blind eye to this.
 
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clownboy said:
Well first, wasn't his call to make, he said so himself earlier when his hispanic supporters asked what the hell was up. This was a cynically brilliant move on his part, pure election politics. He does something he knows will delight his base and soldify the hispanic vote, even though, and especially though, he probably doesn't have the authority to do so. Anyone who opposes his illegitimate move, and the congress has to because this is the Executive stealing from the Legislative, ends up looking like the Grinch.

It may or may not stand, but it will stand for just long enough to get Obama those votes. Amazing play, and thoroughly disgusting. I'm so sorry I ever voted for him or brought his lies.
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I agree to a limited extent... however, it would be helpful if the legislature would do its job. Instead, they fillibustered the issue like they fillibustered every Presidential initiative. The fillibuster is meant to be a tool that is using sparingly, not a tool to shut Washington down. If the Senate oversteps its bounds and does nothing, how can you fault a President for overstepping his bounds to get something done? After all, his job depends on getting stuff done.

Its time for the legislature to grow up and do the people's work.... get some stuff done!!!! Go to battle on the important stuff, not every item on the President's agenda.... it is NOT the role of the legislature to stop the President (nor the role of the President to stop the legislature). Sorry, but the record of this Senate on fillibusters is between shameful and treasonous.

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Moreover, in substance, all he is doing is stating the obvious, which is that he will not use his enforcement resources to prosecute this particular aspect of the immigration law. This is absolutely within his prerogative.

...and, as you alluded to, it was an ingenious political move as it paints Romney into a bit of a corner.... does he now show an Etch-a-sketch moment by somewhat endorsing this to woe the Latino vote (while pissing off the con base)? Does he double down with his Conservative base and dare the Latinos to show-up at the polls? or, my personal favorite, does he take the bait and get suckered into selecting an unvetted Rubio thinking that he will reconcile the two? Great political move for Obama today. Score 2 points for him in today's H2H box score.
 
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Paschendale said:
. . . It wouldn't do to have all of those brown skinned Muslims interacting with white Christians, would it? It just smacks of bigotry and racism.
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The baseless racism charge is just another tactic of the left. Yawn.
 
proud2Bcatholic said:
All conservatives support legal immigration. We are against illegal immigration.

I just don't know why liberals favor illegal immigration.
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Liberals don't like the majority of Americans. They want the illegals here and voting so they can change the nation into their modern version of a utopia. They want felons to vote because the vast majority of felons are democrats.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Just as liberals support election fraud by denying that it exists (as long as they KNOW it helps them). This is VOTE buying, pure and simple. Why have a "dream act" when the "new Obama deal" is so CLEAR? Obama saw the MANDATE of the hispanic vote (he got 67% in 2008) and uses this "magic Obama power" as way to LOCK-IN that vote, by passing the major provisions of the "dream act" using a single "executive order" in a campaign speach. Yes he did!
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It is time for the Congress to defund the White House.
 
Misterveritis said:
The baseless racism charge is just another tactic of the left. Yawn.
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Wait seriously? You're honestly going to pretend that you don't understand that the reason some folks on the right harp on his middle name is bigotry? Why did you think they do it lol?
 
teamosil said:
Wait seriously? You're honestly going to pretend that you don't understand that the reason some folks on the right harp on his middle name is bigotry? Why did you think they do it lol?
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Those who are bigots tend to be the first to see bigotry. I like the way it sounds. He is, after all, the one term Marxist flexible president Barrack Hussein Obama. Anything else would be BO. And that stinks.
 
teamosil said:
Wait seriously? You're honestly going to pretend that you don't understand that the reason some folks on the right harp on his middle name is bigotry? Why did you think they do it lol?
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Bigotry? Yes and no, more no than yes. It plays on a current popular fear of muslims wanting to take control of the US, so no. That it picks out a particular group to associate him with, perhaps. It's a bit like saying my opponent is a practicing homo spaien, or a practicing thesbian.

When they called Bush "chimp", was that speciesism? :mrgreen:

Regardless, it's something that has long outlived any usefullness as a meme and now just makes the user look like a fanatic.
 
Misterveritis said:
Liberals don't like the majority of Americans. They want the illegals here and voting so they can change the nation into their modern version of a utopia. They want felons to vote because the vast majority of felons are democrats.
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Cite please???
 
Misterveritis said:
Those who are bigots tend to be the first to see bigotry.
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Ah yes.. Opposing racism is racism. The problem isn't men raping women, it is women reporting it. The poor people are getting all the money. Those aren't actual thoughts. They obviously make zero sense at all. They're just mantras teabaggers mindlessly repeat over and over because they aren't smart enough.

Misterveritis said:
I like the way it sounds. .. Barrack Hussein Obama.
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Introspection isn't your strong suit is it?
 
clownboy said:
Bigotry? Yes and no, more no than yes. It plays on a current popular fear of muslims wanting to take control of the US, so no. That it picks out a particular group to associate him with, perhaps. It's a bit like saying my opponent is a practicing homo spaien, or a practicing thesbian.

When they called Bush "chimp", was that speciesism? :mrgreen:

Regardless, it's something that has long outlived any usefullness as a meme and now just makes the user look like a fanatic.
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What are you talking about? You think that playing on fear of Muslims isn't bigotry? WTF?
 
Going places, this thread is.
 
Zyphlin said:
Ah, could you please give us a "TheDemSocialist" approved list of what decades old policies that current parties must adhere to still and which ones it's they're allowed to change their views on? Perhaps that will help the issue since you want everyone to function in your imagination land rather than reality where over decades situations and factors can change leading to entire groups of people to change their opinion on various issues.
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Im using it as an example because nothing detremental happened when given amnesty.
 
American said:
It set the wrong precedent. People shouldn't get something for nothing.
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Exactly! There are thousands who've been "standing in line" for a long time waiting for citizenship.
 
Misterveritis said:
They want felons to vote because the vast majority of felons are democrats.
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That whooshing sound was the last remnants of your credibility going out the window! What an ignorant statement.
 
Billy the Kid said:
Exactly! There are thousands who've been "standing in line" for a long time waiting for citizenship.
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True (because our immigration laws are idiotic), and this move changes their status not one iota.
 
AdamT said:
True (because our immigration laws are idiotic), and this move changes their status not one iota.
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Then don't you think it would be more appropriate to let those who've been standing in the "legal" line in before those who broke the law?

Got some 2nd generation immigrants in my immediate family. One came to Ellis Island when she was 15 years old. Her brother came over and was deported to Canada because the "limit for their particular country" was full. He wasn't very happy but settled in Canada and would see his sister once or twice a year. Neither saw any of their European family again. She was very, very proud of her citizenship papers. And never ever missed voting.
 
Billy the Kid said:
Then don't you think it would be more appropriate to let those who've been standing in the "legal" line in before those who broke the law?
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These folks are already "in". Clearly we'd be better off doing comprehensive reform, but that's not happening any time soon.
 
Hikertrash said:
Something for nothing? WTF are you talking about?

Here are the guidelines..
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Under the executive order, individuals need to be at least sixteen years old and no older than thirty to be eligible for the deferred action policy. They need to have been brought to the United States before they turned sixteen and need to have resided in the country for at least five continuous years before their application. They also need to be currently in school, or to have graduated from high school or gotten a G.E.D., or have been honorably discharged from the military.

Individuals will be ineligible if they have been convicted of a felony offense, a significant misdemeanor, or multiple minor misdemeanors, or pose some other threat to national security.
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The problem then becomes that after they stay in the US with their kids for 5 years, the kids get granted citizenship and the adults then become undeportable because the kids are citizens and you cannot deport their relatives. Leads to a HUGE amnesty fest. Prediction is that we will have some 6 to 10 million illegals becoming citizens under this measure if it stands SCOTUS scrutiny. Im guessing it will not, as this is almost purely legislative territory.
 
AdamT said:
These folks are already "in". Clearly we'd be better off doing comprehensive reform, but that's not happening any time soon.
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I agree with that, and the cause is, liberals do not want an air tight border. Close the border first, then we can all talk about the rest.
 
Born Free said:
I agree with that, and the cause is, liberals do not want an air tight border. Close the border first, then we can all talk about the rest.
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Yeah, liberals don't want leprechauns and unicorns, either.
 
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