Obama losing 20% of North Carolina African Americans to Romney

Phys251 · Jun 15, 2012

cpwill said:
I think I am suffering from some kind of hallucination. You do realize that all of Obama's proposed budgets leave us in much better shape than Spain, Italy, and Greece by the end of the decade?

FIFY. And I'm sure that RMoney, former govenor of a state that was #1 in debt and 47th in job creation, will do SO much better. :lol:

proud2Bcatholic said:
I always knew it would afffect him. Liberals live in a fantasy world of false polls where they think that people are okay with gay marriage. They are not. Every single time it has gone to a vote of the people of a state it has lost. Even here in California where I am, the belly of the beast, African-Americans voted overwhelmingly against gay marriage. As they say: The only polls that count are elections.

You are welcome to address me directly.

Bonus points if you use logic when doing so!

When the day comes that African Americans re-asses the great gulf between their Christian faith and the anti-Christian policies of Democrats, it will be a watershed moment. Same goes for Latino immigrants who are usually Catholics.

Democratic values are anti-Christian?? LOLOLOLOLOLOL, do tell me, which Republican values would Jesus endorse?

cpwill · Jun 16, 2012

Phys251 said:
FIFY

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And I'm sure that RMoney, former govenor of a state that was #1 in debt and 47th in job creation, will do SO much better.

I think he will. Firstly because he has endorsed the Ryan Budget, which would. Secondly, because he won't have much of a choice - he will have no leeway with conservatives the way Bush did, as they already don't trust him. Thirdly, because your number (47) is inaccurate. From FactCheck.Org:

...The ad states that job creation in Massachusetts “fell” to 47th under Romney. That’s a bit misleading. Massachusetts’ state ranking for job growth went from 50th the year before he took office, to 28th in his final year. It was 47th for the whole of his four-year tenure, but it was improving, not declining, when he left...

AdamT · Jun 16, 2012

cpwill said:
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I think he will. Firstly because he has endorsed the Ryan Budget, which would. Secondly, because he won't have much of a choice - he will have no leeway with conservatives the way Bush did, as they already don't trust him. Thirdly, because your number (47) is inaccurate. From FactCheck.Org:

IOW, it's perfectly accurate. Over Romney's four years MA was, on average, 47th in job creation.

cpwill · Jun 16, 2012

Ah, so your argument is that it's accurate just not truthful? Will you be continuing to sell the narrative that Romney was 47th and that indicates his abilities, when what actually indicates his abilities is the move from 50th to 28th?

we shall see if you are or are not a political hack

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AdamT · Jun 16, 2012

cpwill said:
Ah, so your argument is that it's accurate just not truthful? Will you be continuing to sell the narrative that Romney was 47th and that indicates his abilities, when what actually indicates his abilities is the move from 50th to 28th?

we shall see if you are or are not a political hack .

I see that you have a very limited concept of truthful. It's funny that you don't want to look at Romney's full four years, but instead just want to look at just the first and last year. But then you want to do just the opposite for the preceding four years, during which time MA was 38th. So looking a the big picture from BOTH periods, what you see is MA going from 38th to 47th under Romney.

And of course this is just looking at job creation. If you look at unemployment over all, what you would see is that MA was mostly better than average before and after Romney, but below average during Romney.

Phys251 · Jun 16, 2012

cpwill said:
QWERTY

I think he will. Firstly because he has endorsed the Ryan Budget, which would. Secondly, because he won't have much of a choice - he will have no leeway with conservatives the way Bush did, as they already don't trust him. Thirdly, because your number (47) is inaccurate. From FactCheck.Org:

Well heck, he broke even one time. Almost. Gosh, that puts him in perfect position to flaunt his economic credentials.

Come on, really?

cpwill · Jun 17, 2012

AdamT said:
I see that you have a very limited concept of truthful. It's funny that you don't want to look at Romney's full four years, but instead just want to look at just the first and last year.

au contraire. I want to look at all four years, and I want explicitly not to do so by telescoping them all as if they occurred simultaneously. If you take a student who is averaging a 25 on his math tests, and through your tutoring he ends up making 85's on his math tests, then you aren't a tutor who will produce a 60% student - you are an excellent tutor who can improve students. So indeed, I want all four years discussed - explicitly, deliberately. What Romney picked up (which is sort of analogous to what he will pick up in January 2013), and what he left with.

cpwill · Jun 17, 2012

Phys251 said:
Well heck, he broke even one time. Almost. Gosh, that puts him in perfect position to flaunt his economic credentials.

Come on, really?

:shrug: turning around failing enterprises is Romney's strength - it's what he does. I don't think he's particularly conservative, and that's why I don't trust him. But he is competent, and that is his forte.

Phys251 · Jun 17, 2012

cpwill said:
:shrug: turning around failing enterprises is Romney's strength - it's what he does. I don't think he's particularly conservative, and that's why I don't trust him. But he is competent, and that is his forte.

He always used Bain Capital for that purpose, right?

AdamT · Jun 17, 2012

cpwill said:
au contraire. I want to look at all four years, and I want explicitly not to do so by telescoping them all as if they occurred simultaneously. If you take a student who is averaging a 25 on his math tests, and through your tutoring he ends up making 85's on his math tests, then you aren't a tutor who will produce a 60% student - you are an excellent tutor who can improve students. So indeed, I want all four years discussed - explicitly, deliberately. What Romney picked up (which is sort of analogous to what he will pick up in January 2013), and what he left with.

So by that logic you would conclude that Bush was one of the worst presidents in history, right? Far worse than Obama.

Any way you look at it, job creation under Romney was far worse than it was under the previous, democratic administration.

hazlnut · Jun 17, 2012

cpwill said:
what an interesting claim. So you are saying that 20% of African Americans in North Carolina are members of the Republican Party?

How about 20% of the african american voters who answered the phone that day. Could be all six of them.

notquiteright · Jun 17, 2012

hazlnut-
that is far more on point than to think Blacks are abandoning President Obama for the Republicans.

The methodology of the survey, the small sample group and the fact that there could have been as few as 100 blacks questioned means a margin of error around 10%.

Does anyone know how many blacks were called?

AdamT · Jun 17, 2012

notquiteright said:
hazlnut-
that is far more on point than to think Blacks are abandoning President Obama for the Republicans.

The methodology of the survey, the small sample group and the fact that there could have been as few as 100 blacks questioned means a margin of error around 10%.

Does anyone know how many blacks were called?

I'll let the expert respond: Statistical Noise in Election Polls - NYTimes.com

cpwill · Jun 18, 2012

Phys251 said:
He always used Bain Capital for that purpose, right?

Not to my knowledge. I can't recall, for example, any Bain involvement in the Olympics. :shrug: but it's a possibility -his forte was rather obviously private sector investment capital.

cpwill · Jun 18, 2012

AdamT said:
So by that logic you would conclude that Bush was one of the worst presidents in history, right? Far worse than Obama.

no, not worse. I don't pretend that the senior executive has the only controlling influence on job creation. But Bush was no joy, and he definitely put into place foolish economic policies which exacerbated rather than improved our problems. People often forget that the first experiments in Keynesian stimulus spending was his.

AdamT · Jun 18, 2012

cpwill said:
no, not worse. I don't pretend that the senior executive has the only controlling influence on job creation. But Bush was no joy, and he definitely put into place foolish economic policies which exacerbated rather than improved our problems. People often forget that the first experiments in Keynesian stimulus spending was his.

Well yes, by the logic you want to apply to Romney's job performance, Obama is a far better president than Bush. Just looking at what they got and what they left....

Born Free · Jun 18, 2012

AdamT said:
Well yes, by the logic you want to apply to Romney's job performance, Obama is a far better president than Bush. Just looking at what they got and what they left....

And you consider Obama leaving us in just four yrs with an increased national of 6 trillion a good thing. Interesting.

AdamT · Jun 18, 2012

Born Free said:
And you consider Obama leaving us in just four yrs with an increased national of 6 trillion a good thing. Interesting.

I think that getting a trillion+ deficit and reducing it is better than getting a nearly balanced budget and turning it into a trillion+ deficit, yeah.

Phys251 · Jun 18, 2012

Born Free said:
And you consider Obama leaving us in just four yrs with an increased national of 6 trillion a good thing. Interesting.

What is an "increased national"? :wassat1:

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