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Zogby: Youth Disillusioned, Dropping Out

cpwill

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Good luck creating that same wave of enthusiasm that you had in 2008, Obama Campaign. Like I've been saying for some time now: the College Hope and Changers of 2008, are the un/under employed of 2012.

I don't even think they're the "unemployed". I just think they're the young.

Supporting Obama was a cultural fad and phenomina in '08. It was a "hip" or "cool" thing to do. It was trendy in the same way so many fads are for your late teens to late 20's crowd. Obama was the KONY 2012 of 2008 in a sense. Fads, trends, etc change. The novelty of what Obama's original run stood for has rubbed off, the ability to present it as some kind of "non-politician politician" status is gone, and the cultural movement has vanished. Obama is still popular but he's no longer that cult icon of 08. It's no slight on him...no one is capable of sustaining that. No fad or trend lasts forever.

I would be shocked if turnout and interest was anywhere near 08 levels in terms of your early to mid twenty's range.
 
Good luck creating that same wave of enthusiasm that you had in 2008, Obama Campaign. Like I've been saying for some time now: the College Hope and Changers of 2008, are the un/under employed of 2012.

Isn't it strange that there is no actual link to Zogby's comments from your far right wing source? Well, actually it is to be expected considering the Examiner's reputation.
 
I don't even think they're the "unemployed". I just think they're the young.

Employment rates for Young Adults Lowest in 60 Years

Of the Young Adults who have jobs, a Third are Underemployed

2011 Numbers:
...In the second quarter of 2011, the standard unemployment rate (referred to as U-3) for U.S.-born adults (18-plus) who have not completed high school was 20.8 percent. For young adults (18 to 29) who have not completed high school it was 30.7 percent.

Using the broader measure of unemployment (referred to as U-6) that includes those who want to work, but have not looked recently, and those forced to work part-time, the rate for U.S.-born adults (18-plus) who have not completed high school was 32.4 percent. For young adults (18 to 29) who have not completed high school the U-6 measure was 43.9 percent.

The U-3 unemployment rate for young (18 to 29), U.S.-born workers who have completed high school, but have no additional education, was 18.2 percent in the first quarter of 2011. Using the U-6 measure, it was 31.8 percent.

The U-3 rate for U.S.-born, young (18 to 29) adults who have completed some college, but do not have a bachelor’s degree, was 11.2 percent. Using the U-6 measure, it was 20.2 percent.

Those with a bachelor’s degree generally have been more insulated from recessions than other workers, and to some extent this is still true. But for young (21 to 29) U.S. workers with a bachelor’s degree, the U-6 measure was 10.4 percent in the first quarter of 2011. This is almost double their U-6 rate of 5.4 percent in the second quarter of 2011...

And so on and so forth. I've had friends with Law degrees wait tables for a year waiting for something to open up that they could seize - I've had friends with Bachelors drop out of the workforce all together, half of those working currently are under employed. You're right that the fad is dead and the coolness is gone; but don't underestimate the power of the bitterness of not being able to find employment.
 
I guess more my point was that it wasn't because they're "unemployed" that the turnout rate goes down. I think if they were experiencing the most employment in 60 years they'd still have their turnout significantly lowered. I don't think any actual political reasons motivated a significant portion of the youth vote in 08, I think it was far more spurred by the cultural phenomena. Whether or not they got jobs, that phenomena...and thus the support...would still have gone away.
 
True - but a well-run campaign could have revamped a good bit of that. With unemployment exacerbating the bitterness....

Obama has so far degraded his draw on Public Unions, African Americans, and Young Voters. What part of his base is left other than affluent urbanized upper middle class adults?
 
Good luck creating that same wave of enthusiasm that you had in 2008, Obama Campaign. Like I've been saying for some time now: the College Hope and Changers of 2008, are the un/under employed of 2012.

Youth unemployment rates:

May 2012:

Age 16 to 19 - 25.9%
Age 20 to 24 - 62.4%

U.S. Department of Labor -- ODEP - Office of Disability Employment Policy - Youth Employment Rate

There goes Obama's "youth vote". Poor blighters graduate from college with tens of thousands in student loans only to face a 62.4% unemployment rate in their age group. Obama is cooked.
 
It just sounds like one of those speeches of: "go get out and be active young people we need you!" Both parties do it. Its just the same ol election talk. Really nothing here.. :shrug:
 
Idk if its that they're ready to give up on politics... as you've seen highly active political participation by the young and impressionables with the Occupy, Tea Party, and Jon Stewart restore sanity, "movements" (which I wouldn't really call movements, but the participants liked to refer to them as movements)...

I think it's purely that the youth aren't sold on Obama as the savior they claimed he would be... Many of them just went along with the Bush hatred, others went along to elect the first black president, others thought he was going to be an entirely different politician than he is... They're disillusioned with Obama... all of his own doing, since he said he was for things, that he never backed up with actions... He made his own words hollow... and they feel that...

I do feel, though, that as cpwill said... when the time to vote rolls around, and people vote their wallet, a lot of people will be voting against Obama, in hopes that Romney can turn the economy around... and I don't see that in just the youth, but all ages...
 
It just sounds like one of those speeches of: "go get out and be active young people we need you!" Both parties do it. Its just the same ol election talk. Really nothing here.. :shrug:

62.4% unemployment rate for 20 to 24 year olds won't affect the youth vote?
 
62.4% unemployment rate for 20 to 24 year olds won't affect the youth vote?

You need to read your chart again. Seriously, go back and read it, you got it wrong.
 
Didn't Obama's 2008 decision to run a content-free campaign of "Hope n'Change" based strictly on his own hagiography pretty much insure disenchantment four years later?
 
Didn't Obama's 2008 decision to run a content-free campaign of "Hope n'Change" based strictly on his own hagiography pretty much insure disenchantment four years later?

Well, except for all the issues he took a stand on during his campaign? If all you heard was "hope and change", you where not listening, which is not obama's fault.
 
62.4% unemployment rate for 20 to 24 year olds won't affect the youth vote?
16.4% bud.

And i never said that it wont. I was saying this is just rhetoric..:roll:

Dear god... :doh
 
Well, except for all the issues he took a stand on during his campaign? If all you heard was "hope and change", you where not listening, which is not obama's fault.

It was difficult to listen to. Which was his fault.
 
It was difficult to listen to. Which was his fault.
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Not at all. His website was easy to get to, he talked issues on any number of occasions(hell, we had 1000 post threads here over every single position he took, and every other candidate as well), politifact was able to identify over 500 quantifiable campaign promises he made. So the fault is not his.
 
You need to read your chart again. Seriously, go back and read it, you got it wrong.

It says 20 to 24 with no disabilities 62.4% and it's from the Dept of Labor.
 
16.4% bud.

And i never said that it wont. I was saying this is just rhetoric..:roll:

Dear god... :doh

Not from the link in my posting from the Department of labor. 20 to 24 without disabilities 62.4%, go back and look.
 
It says 20 to 24 with no disabilities 62.4% and it's from the Dept of Labor.

Here is what the chart is actually labeled: "May 2012 — Youth Employment Rate (%) "

Read that 2 or three times, you will see it.
 
Here is what the chart is actually labeled: "May 2012 — Youth Employment Rate (%) "

Read that 2 or three times, you will see it.

Holy cow! I goofed big time. Sorry! Thank you for pointing that out, guess I had a brain fart.
 
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Not at all. His website was easy to get to, he talked issues on any number of occasions(hell, we had 1000 post threads here over every single position he took, and every other candidate as well), politifact was able to identify over 500 quantifiable campaign promises he made. So the fault is not his.

Yeah the promises, they were difficult to listen to.
 
Holy cow! I goofed big time. Sorry! Thank you for pointing that out, guess I had a brain fart.

I think every one has done that a time or two.

Something to note: 20 to 24 is collage age kids. From BLS: College Enrollment and Work Activity of 2011 High School Graduates

Of the 3.1 million youth age 16 to 24 who graduated from high school between January and October 2011, about 2.1 million (68.3 percent) were enrolled in college in October 2011. The college enrollment rate of recent high school graduates was slightly lower than the record high set in October 2009 (70.1 percent). For 2011 graduates, the college enrollment rate was 72.3 percent for young women and 64.6 percent for young men. The college enrollment rate of Asian graduates (86.7 percent) was higher than for recent white (67.7 percent), black (67.5 percent), and Hispanic (66.6 percent) graduates. (See table 1.) The labor force participation rate (the proportion of the population working or looking for work) for recent high school graduates enrolled in college was 38.8 percent. The participation rates for male and female graduates enrolled in college were 36.5 and 41.0 percent, respectively.

In other words, part of why the number of employed is low is because those kids are not in the work force, they are in college.
 
Yeah the promises, they were difficult to listen to.

So you admit it was your problem, not his. Thank you.

The information was there, he did talk about it, you just did not listen to it.
 
Turns out that Obama Girl isn't so into Obama any longer. She's trying to decide whom to vote for.
 
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