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Bill Clinton undermining and sabotaging Obama at every chance?

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Bill Clinton is out of control - Roger Simon - POLITICO.com

This has been curious to watch to say the least.

While presidents historically have chosen to retire with class into relative obscurity - Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter aside - they especially don't go rogue against their own party. Rarely do you see a former president so obviously sabotaging his own "supposed" candidate publicly, an incumbent at that.

I think Clinton has such a low opinion of Obama - and maintains a seething bitterness over not getting to move back into the White House in 2008 - that he's determined to make sure Obama is a one-termer and never spoken of in the same breath as His Clintonness.

For that matter, Romney seems a whole lot more like Clinton than Obama is, which speaks to how over-the-cliff-liberal the Democrats have become, and how the Republican party needs the young Rubios, Ryans, Jindals, etc, to hurry up and age into the conversation.

I can't imagine the barbs being tossed in private between these two.
 
But since his remarks praising Romney's business career, he's said that Romney would be "calamitous."

:shrug

What are you gonna do with Bill? He's never been one for anyone's message but his own. Hitch your wagon to him, and you're in for a wild ride. Obama doesn't really have much choice. He can't make people think about his economic record, so he has to remind them of Clinton's.
 
It's not because he is a southern white male racist is it?!?!?

:devil:
 
Bill is still mad because he thought that HE was the first black president
 
Look at it from Clinton's point of view. Obama is doubling down on far left right now in just about every policy decision. Clinton knows you cant win with that. You have to run or at least appear to run as a moderate to get enough support from the middle to win. Obama seems to be in an echo chamber where he is hearing he can win as a liberal instead of a moderate. Its not so. Maybe Clinton is trying to sound off and warn him publicly because hes not listening privately. I dont like a lot about Clinton, but Ive got to admit he is a professional politician of high calibre. The guys in the White House senior staff right now? Not so much.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Look at it from Clinton's point of view. Obama is doubling down on far left right now in just about every policy decision. Clinton knows you cant win with that. You have to run or at least appear to run as a moderate to get enough support from the middle to win. Obama seems to be in an echo chamber where he is hearing he can win as a liberal instead of a moderate. Its not so. Maybe Clinton is trying to sound off and warn him publicly because hes not listening privately. I dont like a lot about Clinton, but Ive got to admit he is a professional politician of high calibre. The guys in the White House senior staff right now? Not so much.
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What, exactly, do you see as "far-left" about Obama's policies?
 
OpportunityCost said:
Look at it from Clinton's point of view. Obama is doubling down on far left right now in just about every policy decision.
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Bull

Crap

The "far" left isn't really into GITMO still being open, Afghan war, Pakistan drone strikes, Libya military intervention, more free trade pacts signed, a half-assed kensyian economic model, not going for single payer from the beginning, embracing warrentless wiretapping and the rest of the Patriot Act, the signing of the NDAA and having extended the Bush tax cuts for the rich.

So when you say he's doubling down on the far left in his policies, I'm over here in the far left waiting to see some ****ing results of all that doubling down of the things you are saying I want to see. Because as for me, viewing this from the vantage point of being on the far left, I don't see his initial gamble on the behalf of the left much less his ever having doubled down for us.

OpportunityCost said:
Clinton knows you cant win with that. You have to run or at least appear to run as a moderate to get enough support from the middle to win. Obama seems to be in an echo chamber where he is hearing he can win as a liberal instead of a moderate. Its not so. Maybe Clinton is trying to sound off and warn him publicly because hes not listening privately. I dont like a lot about Clinton, but Ive got to admit he is a professional politician of high calibre. The guys in the White House senior staff right now? Not so much.
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I think you can win not appearing as a moderate if you showed and inkling of integrity and conviction. Bush W was a freegin' moron that ended up pulling votes in 2004 by standing his ground on his ridiculous policies and not appearing to bend over to appease. Many people respect and reward consistency even in things they don't necessarily agree whole-heartidly with.
 
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poweRob said:
Bull

Crap

The "far" left isn't really into GITMO still being open, Afghan war, Pakistan drone strikes, Libya military intervention, more free trade pacts signed, a half-assed kensyian economic model, not going for single payer from the beginning, embracing warrentless wiretapping and the rest of the Patriot Act, the signing of the NDAA and having extended the Bush tax cuts for the rich.

So when you say he's doubling down on the far left in his policies, I'm over here in the far left waiting to see some ****ing results of all that doubling down of the things you are saying I want to see. Because as for me, viewing this from the vantage point of being on the far left, I don't see his initial gamble on the behalf of the left much less his ever having doubled down for us.



I think you can win not appearing as a moderate if you showed and inkling of integrity and conviction. Bush W was a freegin' moron that ended up pulling votes in 2004 by standing his ground on his ridiculous policies and not appearing to bend over to appease. Many people respect and reward consistency even in things they don't necessarily agree whole-heartidly with.
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His energy policies, his social justice leanings, his social spending, his union backing, support and worldview, his handling of DOJ, his EPA regs, his ideas about the coal and oilk industries, his views on capitalism, his ideas about healthcare, banking, and regulations for both.

His foreign policy is Bush 2.0 more or less breaking almost all campaign promises he made in that arena, but his domestic policy? Not so much.
 
Well this should destroy the liberal myth that Obama is right wing, or some kind of moderate.

Many on the left don't realize that they have moved to the left.
 
The thing with Clinton is, as much as many Republicans dismiss... Clinton was not the leftist he grew up as... and in fact was quite centrist... Clinton sees how Obama hasn't been able to do anything over the past few years, and is trying to get him to be mainstream, at least for the election, and Obama keeps going left, since he sees several prominent liberal media figures voicing frustration with Obama... so he wants to hold onto his base tightly...

The other thing, is Clinton is a shameless self promoter who loves the spotlight... This is a chance for Clinton to take that spotlight off Obama that Obama was using against Clinton in 2008... (which is another thing, Clinton holds grudges...) He also gets a chance to contrast with Obama that Clinton was the only democrat to manage a budget responsibly... so he gets to run on the Obama ticket, as a compare and contrast... So as Obama goes down to one term, Clinton's ratings as a president go up... I don't think he'd intentionally sabotage the Democratic Party in that manner, but I doubt he'd lose sleep if they lose either...

Now, I'd like to take this opportunity to point out one of the major things I think Clinton did well to succeed where Obama has been a complete failure... When Clinton lost the midterm elections in 94, and the balance of power shifted... Clinton didnt sit and pout like a crybaby, or bang his head against a wall proposing the same liberal policies with no effectiveness... He proposed centrist policies, that he knew he would be able to pass, with enough Democratic and Republican support... Such as balancing the budget, and passing welfare reform... Since Obama lost the house in 2010, he's done nothing, but point finger at Republicans for his own shortcomings at being able to push through responsible legislation that has equal support on both sides...

For all the "anybody but Hillary, we are sick of the Clintons" statements I heard in 2008... I bet those people wish we still had Bill Clinton instead of Obama...
 
I wonder what dirt the white house has on Bill Clinton to get him to do a 360 on his Romney after lauding his "sterling business career?"
 
OpportunityCost said:
Look at it from Clinton's point of view. Obama is doubling down on far left right now in just about every policy decision. Clinton knows you cant win with that. You have to run or at least appear to run as a moderate to get enough support from the middle to win. Obama seems to be in an echo chamber where he is hearing he can win as a liberal instead of a moderate. Its not so. Maybe Clinton is trying to sound off and warn him publicly because hes not listening privately. I dont like a lot about Clinton, but Ive got to admit he is a professional politician of high calibre. The guys in the White House senior staff right now? Not so much.
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Well, I think you're right. Too far left. He seems to have the same sort of advisors that Santorum or Rick Perry had.

Meanwhile, Romney is a moderate. Usually, the election is between a slightly right moderate and a slitghtly left moderate. This year there's a slightly right moderate and a left winger.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1060565061 said:
I wonder what dirt the white house has on Bill Clinton to get him to do a 360 on his Romney after lauding his "sterling business career?"
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The above statement can be summarized in such a manner:

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Unexpected support for Romney.

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Μολὼν λαβέ;1060565151 said:
Unexpected support for Romney.

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yeah... you keep believing your own bullcrap.


Bill Clinton on 4/30/2012

...When you become President, your job is to explain where we are, say where you think we should go, have a strategy to get there, and execute it. By that standard, Barack Obama deserves to be reelected President of the United States. And I'm going to tell you the only reason we're even meeting here. I mean, this is crazy — he's got an opponent who basically wants to do what they did before, on steroids — which will get you the same consequences you got before, on steroids....

...If you go back 500 years, whenever a country's financial system collapses, it takes between 5 and 10 years to get back to full employment. If you go back for the last 200 years, when buildings had been widely owned by individuals and companies, if there's a mortgage collapse it almost always takes 10 years. He's beating the clock, not behind it. Don't listen to those Republicans. We are beating the clock....

....Why do I tell you this? Because somebody will say to you, maybe, but I don't feel better. And you say, look, the man's not Houdini; all he can do is beat the clock. He's beating the clock....We are moving this country forward. We are going in the right direction under President Obama's leadership. So I think he's done a good job. I think he is beating the historical standard for coming out of a financial collapse and a mortgage collapse. I think the last thing you want to do is to turn around and embrace the policies that got us into trouble in the first place. We need to keep going forward by reelecting Barack Obama President of the United States.​


Also...


[Obama has] had to get all this done while people as recently as last week were still saying he wasn't born in America. He's had to get all this done with a House of Representative that had one of the tea party members claim that 79 to 81 members of the Democratic Caucus were members of the Communist party. And neither the Republican nominee nor other Republican leaders rebuked him for saying that.

This is not the 1950s. At least Joe McCarthy could skate on the premise that there were still one or two living Communists walking around. Nobody's seen a Communist in over a decade.
linkypoo...​


Just look at all that support Bill is throwing Mitten's way. lol
 
Erod said:
Bill Clinton is out of control - Roger Simon - POLITICO.com

This has been curious to watch to say the least.

While presidents historically have chosen to retire with class into relative obscurity - Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter aside - they especially don't go rogue against their own party. Rarely do you see a former president so obviously sabotaging his own "supposed" candidate publicly, an incumbent at that.

I think Clinton has such a low opinion of Obama - and maintains a seething bitterness over not getting to move back into the White House in 2008 - that he's determined to make sure Obama is a one-termer and never spoken of in the same breath as His Clintonness.

For that matter, Romney seems a whole lot more like Clinton than Obama is, which speaks to how over-the-cliff-liberal the Democrats have become, and how the Republican party needs the young Rubios, Ryans, Jindals, etc, to hurry up and age into the conversation.

I can't imagine the barbs being tossed in private between these two.
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And people wonder why I have a hard time believing anything that a conservative tells me. Everytime I hear big news from a conservative like this it's either something blown way out of proportion (like this) or just plain false.

Saying one nice thing about Romney doesn't mean Clinton is undermining Obama. He's raised alot of money for Obama and has criticized Romney publicly. This is simply one difference between Clinton and the Obama campaign, one of them sees Bain as a good campaign target, and one doesn't. It's not the end of the Democratic party as we know it or whatever spin you're trying to throw on this.
 
I wouldn't say that Clinton is supporting Romney, however, he does seem to think that Romney was a good businessman. Which he was.
 
poweRob said:
yeah... you keep believing your own bullcrap.




This is not the 1950s. At least Joe McCarthy could skate on the premise that there were still one or two living Communists walking around. Nobody's seen a Communist in over a decade.
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Just look at all that support Bill is throwing Mitten's way. lol
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Hey slick Willie....just take a peek at China...that's Red China, slick...you know Tiananmen Square and all. The same murdering barbarians that bankrolled your reelection campaign. The same Communist regime that forced Chen Guangchen to flee in the dark of night to the US embassy and plead for asylum. Because he was imprisoned for protesting the communist governmment's forced abortion and sterilization policies. The samer policies that Joe Biden stated were just fine with him. What clowns!
 
roughdraft274 said:
And people wonder why I have a hard time believing anything that a conservative tells me. Everytime I hear big news from a conservative like this it's either something blown way out of proportion (like this) or just plain false.
Saying one nice thing about Romney doesn't mean Clinton is undermining Obama. He's raised alot of money for Obama and has criticized Romney publicly. This is simply one difference between Clinton and the Obama campaign, one of them sees Bain as a good campaign target, and one doesn't. It's not the end of the Democratic party as we know it or whatever spin you're trying to throw on this.
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I'm quoting Politico, and if you think that's a conservative site, then Huffpo must rub you wrong, too.
 
Erod said:
I'm quoting Politico, and if you think that's a conservative site, then Huffpo must rub you wrong, too.
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Politico's not a liberal site. It's a fairly balanced site, with a lot of silly articles on both sides of the fence. Regardless of their leaning, that article is garbage. It takes one compliment from Clinton and turns it into a narrative of an all out war between Clinton and Obama.
 
Nah. I didnt read it that way. Its an example of internal maneuvering. Were the Bain attacks having an impact? No, for the most part they were not. Worse, they were costing Dem support from donors. Clinton knows the money part of this game far better than Obama. He just tried to get Obama to change tactics, because this one wasnt working.

Like Clinton or not and I dont, he knows how politics are played on the national scale.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1060565257 said:
Touch a nerve did I? Keep believing yours, its more entertaining. :thumbs:
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I wouldn't call it touching a nerve as much as just having a slight adverse reaction to lies and bullcrap trolling. meh...
 
jerry7 said:
Hey slick Willie....just take a peek at China...that's Red China, slick...you know Tiananmen Square and all. The same murdering barbarians that bankrolled your reelection campaign. The same Communist regime that forced Chen Guangchen to flee in the dark of night to the US embassy and plead for asylum. Because he was imprisoned for protesting the communist governmment's forced abortion and sterilization policies. The samer policies that Joe Biden stated were just fine with him. What clowns!
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They just traded in their socialist communisim and replaced it with capitalist communism.
 
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