Is GOP trying to sabotage economy to hurt Obama? [W:1198]

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iguanaman said:

There might be some truth to that but it was GOP policies that brought the country down. That's a big difference from actively attempting to short circuit the economy which is all the debt ceiling standoff was.
The Dems might be guilty of giving the GOP enough rope to hang themselves, but nobody forced it on them.

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I know this is hard for you to understand having apparently never taking a civics class, but it isn't the GOP that is taking the economy down by controlling ONE HOUSE of Congress. It is amazing that for two years with total control of the Congress the results were still terrible and yet liberals want to divert to today.

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iguanaman said:

I don't know, why don't you ask that #1 socialist, Dick Cheney? I believe he had an opinion on the subject.

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Aw, there we go again, attacking Dick Cheney, next it will be GW Bush which just goes to show that you don't have a clue.

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Conservative said:

I know this is hard for you to understand having apparently never taking a civics class, but it isn't the GOP that is taking the economy down by controlling ONE HOUSE of Congress. It is amazing that for two years with total control of the Congress the results were still terrible and yet liberals want to divert to today.

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The "results were still terrible"? Only in a world viewed thru the Goggles of Truth.

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It seems to me that if we learned anything from Russia, it is that more government spending =/= a healthy economy and that less government spending = economic recovery. So the question is, are liberals evil, stupid or both?

Did we forget that conservatives predicted a restricted recovery if there was increased spending? And what did we do? Increased spending. And what is going on? A slower than expected recovery. Hmm.

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Conservative said:

Aw, there we go again, attacking Dick Cheney, next it will be GW Bush which just goes to show that you don't have a clue.

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So now in the vocabulary of the right, pointing out a factual statement made by one of their own is an "attack"

"Reagan proved deficits don't matter," Cheney claimed at a meeting in 2002 of White House economic advisers. A meeting during which (soon after gone) Treasury Secretary Paul H. O'Neill argued that more tax cuts would increase an already rapidly growing deficit. Remember the Bush Administration entered office with a budget surplus, a surplus that was gone in a year.

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Somerville said:

The "results were still terrible"? Only in a world viewed thru the Goggles of Truth.

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Oh, my, such low standards for a socialist, still waiting for you to answer the question, how much debt is enough debt to a socialist and you always compare 2008 numbers to the present and that is when Democrats controlled the Congress

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Somerville said:

So now in the vocabulary of the right, pointing out a factual statement made by one of their own is an "attack"

"Reagan proved deficits don't matter," Cheney claimed at a meeting in 2002 of White House economic advisers. A meeting during which (soon after gone) Treasury Secretary Paul H. O'Neill argued that more tax cuts would increase an already rapidly growing deficit. Remember the Bush Administration entered office with a budget surplus, a surplus that was gone in a year.

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No, Reagan economy created 16 million net job gain, Obama has a net job loss. Apparently you don't know the difference

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Somerville said:

Are Republicans stupid, evil, or both in some weird, totally self-unaware fashion? The GOP says that it and its adherents are the Real Americans who care deeply about this nation, unlike those "evil, Marxist-loving, liberal, globalist Dems". If they love this country so much, why then are they so willing to destroy the economy simply in an effort to take control of the government?

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Did you ever think that just maybe some of them actually hold to certain economic principles and are simply acting in accordance with those? Like maybe the idea that we can't just up the "credit card" limit every time we run out of money? I definitely can't do that with my finances, why should the Government be able to?

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ksu_aviator said:

It seems to me that if we learned anything from Russia, it is that more government spending =/= a healthy economy and that less government spending = economic recovery. So the question is, are liberals evil, stupid or both?

Did we forget that conservatives predicted a restricted recovery if there was increased spending? And what did we do? Increased spending. And what is going on? A slower than expected recovery. Hmm.

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I would say the question is - Why do those who call themselves conservative refuse to look at the real world? Comparing present US government spending to that of the Soviet Union is absurd on the face of it. Those nations in Europe which have instituted the strongest austerity measures are those which are doing the worst in recovery, even slipping back into recession.

The problem that many see with the stimulus package passed in 2009 was that it was too small, nearly a third of the 'stimulus' went to tax cuts for low and middle income tax payers. Now that the money has been spent, we are seeing the economy slow, exactly what was predicted by those economists who had called for more spending back in 2008 - '09

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Conservative said:

Oh, my, such low standards for a socialist, still waiting for you to answer the question, how much debt is enough debt to a socialist and you always compare 2008 numbers to the present and that is when Democrats controlled the Congress

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great question.. its never enough with Liberals, long as its someone elses money..

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Tigger said:

Did you ever think that just maybe some of them actually hold to certain economic principles and are simply acting in accordance with those? Like maybe the idea that we can't just up the "credit card" limit every time we run out of money? I definitely can't do that with my finances, why should the Government be able to?

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Because you aren't a national government and it ain't a family man.

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Somerville said:

I would say the question is - Why do those who call themselves conservative refuse to look at the real world? Comparing present US government spending to that of the Soviet Union is absurd on the face of it. Those nations in Europe which have instituted the strongest austerity measures are those which are doing the worst in recovery, even slipping back into recession.

The problem that many see with the stimulus package passed in 2009 was that it was too small, nearly a third of the 'stimulus' went to tax cuts for low and middle income tax payers. Now that the money has been spent, we are seeing the economy slow, exactly what was predicted by those economists who had called for more spending back in 2008 - '09

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Your right.. we need to compare Obama to Greece ,,, not the Soviet Union

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apdst said:

All we heard from the Libbos, during Bush's time in office, was that the economy was in the toilet. They said it enough, that people believed it and the rest is history, as they say.

Let's face it, without an economy in turmoil, the Democrats would have never been victorious in 2006 and 2009.

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So you have nothing to show that Democrats actually DID anything to hurt the economy for political reasons?

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Somerville said:

I would say the question is - Why do those who call themselves conservative refuse to look at the real world? Comparing present US government spending to that of the Soviet Union is absurd on the face of it. Those nations in Europe which have instituted the strongest austerity measures are those which are doing the worst in recovery, even slipping back into recession.

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Mostly because their societies are not equiped to handle things anymore. They have sold their souls and their lives to the Government for the last 60 years and no longer understand how to survive when required to actually WORK for something rather than having it handed to them. The US is headed down that road, but we're about 20 years behind Europe in that regard. We do actually still have people who can fend for ourselves here. As for the others.... LET THEM EAT CAKE.

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Somerville said:

Because you aren't a national government and it ain't a family man.

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You're right, I'm not. I'm required to live within my means. There are checks on my spending; most notably my income and my credit rating. Until the US Government starts operating its finances much more like mine, I will not be in favor of the Government raising a single penny more in taxes or foreign borrowing.

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Conservative said:

No, Reagan economy created 16 million net job gain, Obama has a net job loss. Apparently you don't know the difference

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So tripling the national debt while creating jobs is a positive but increasing it by only 50% and increasing jobs (once he had some control of government policies) is a negative.




from the same Krugman article, Bush's job creation numbers

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Tigger said:

Mostly because their societies are not equiped to handle things anymore. They have sold their souls and their lives to the Government for the last 60 years and no longer understand how to survive when required to actually WORK for something rather than having it handed to them. The US is headed down that road, but we're about 20 years behind Europe in that regard. We do actually still have people who can fend for ourselves here. As for the others.... LET THEM EAT CAKE.

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Yeah - that worked really well

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Somerville said:

So tripling the national debt while creating jobs is a positive but increasing it by only 50% and increasing jobs (once he had some control of government policies) is a negative.

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It is not the work of the United States Government to create jobs. It never has been. In fact most of the programs to do so are unConstitutional on their very basis. Job creation is supposed to be the work of the PRIVATE INDUSTRY in the nation, not the Government.

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Somerville said:

Yeah - that worked really well

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Different time and place, Somerville. The majority of the Leftist in the United States do not have the heart or the stomach to take up arms. In fact the vast majority of american citizens in total do not. We've become largely a nation of cowards.

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Tigger said:

It is not the work of the United States Government to create jobs. It never has been. In fact most of the programs to do so are unConstitutional on their very basis. Job creation is supposed to be the work of the PRIVATE INDUSTRY in the nation, not the Government.

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THIS is not an answer to my post

So tripling the national debt while creating jobs is a positive but increasing it by only 50% and increasing jobs (once he had some control of government policies) is a negative.

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Those nations in Europe which have instituted the strongest austerity measures are those which are doing the worst in recovery, even slipping back into recession.

This is the typical moron liberal response. Of course they are, that is what happens when you stop spending money you don't have. Those that have not instituted austerity are not in recovery, they are going further into debt and the more they go in debt the worse the recession will be when they finally realize that there is no money left. The reality is that recession is part of the recovery process. Continuing to spend a deficit to avoid a recession is a dead end that will only make it worse...because eventually you will run out of other people's money.

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Somerville said:

So tripling the national debt while creating jobs is a positive but increasing it by only 50% and increasing jobs (once he had some control of government policies) is a negative.

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from the same Krugman article, Bush's job creation numbers

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Bush had 1 trillion of that debt to pay for 9/11 according to the General Accounting Office which of course liberals want to ignore, but regardless Bush debt in 8 years was 4.9 trillion dollars, Obama has 5.2 trillion in less than four. Some of that spending was for creation of jobs and we have 23 million unemployed/under employed Americans as of April 2012, more unemployed than when he took office and fewer employed. I guess that is a socialist success story

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Somerville said:

So tripling the national debt while creating jobs is a positive but increasing it by only 50% and increasing jobs (once he had some control of government policies) is a negative.

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from the same Krugman article, Bush's job creation numbers

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Your chart proves Pelosi and Reid to be idiots... and Krugman is a joke..

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Somerville said:

THIS is not an answer to my post

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Yes it is. There is NO amount of Government money that should be wasted "creating jobs". It's not a proper function of the Government, regardless of which party is in power.

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“Resolved that: The Obama administration and the Democrat-controlled Senate, in alliance with a global Progressive socialist movement, have participated in what appears to be a globalist socialist agenda of redistribution of wealth, and the waging of class warfare against our constitutional republic’s heritage of individual rights, free market capitalism, and indeed our Constitution itself, with the ultimate goal of collapsing the U.S. economy and globalizing us into socialism.

Resolved that: President Obama has seized what amount to dictatorial powers to bypass our Congress, and that because the Congress is controlled by a Progressive socialist Senate that will not impeach one of their kind, they have allowed this and yielded what are rightfully congressional powers to this new dictator.


Resolved that: By their agenda and actions, those in our government who swore oaths to protect and defend our Constitution have committed treason against the United States.

Resolved that: The current administration and Democrat majority in the Senate, in conjunction with Progressive socialists from all around the country, especially those from Hollywood and the left leaning news media (Indeed, most of the news media.) have worked in unison to advance an anti-business, an anti-free market, and an anti-capitalist (anti-individual rights and property ownership) agenda.

Resolved that: Our President, the Democrats-Socialists, most of the media, and most of those from Hollywood, have now encouraged and supported “Occupy” demonstrations in our streets, which are now being perpetrated across the globe, and which are being populated by various marxists, socialists and even communists, and are protesting against business, private property ownership and capitalism, something I thought I’d never see in my country, in my lifetime.

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