• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!
  • Welcome to our archives. No new posts are allowed here.

Will the Stock Market Unseat Obama [W:32]

washunut

DP Veteran
Joined
Nov 13, 2009
Messages
14,095
Reaction score
4,600
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Slightly Liberal
Market direction is a key factor on how people spend, hire and overall confidence in the economy. If the market continues it's downward recent trend will this make people more prone to feel we are on the " wrong track"? If so, it seems that the kingmaker in this election may not be the billions of Superpac dollars raised by both sides but rather the actions of our central banker Mr. Bernanke. If the market continues to slide the expectation is that Bernanke would respond with QE3. However as we get closer to the election would be be willing to pull the trigger and face the anger certain to be headed this way.

Mr. Bernanke has proven he is willing to take unpopular steps to do what he thinks best to keep our economy afloat. His actions over the next 90 days may swing the election one way or the other.

Thoughts?
 
Not if people remember what happens to our savings when a Republican president is sitting in the oval office. If anything, the stock market will help Obama. I know my investments have been on an uphill climb since he took office. Unlike the guy before him.

It amazes me to see otherwise thinking people want to support the same people who not only want to prevent any measures to see that the recent economic collapse doesn't happen again, but to even lessen the regulations we aready have in place as well as subsidise the wealthy off the backs of the middle and lower classes. I would understand it if they were in the top 5%. But Joe **** the Ragman living in a Mississippi trailer park supporting Romney? Just doesn't make sense.
 
Not if people remember what happens to our savings when a Republican president is sitting in the oval office. If anything, the stock market will help Obama. I know my investments have been on an uphill climb since he took office. Unlike the guy before him.

It amazes me to see otherwise thinking people want to support the same people who not only want to prevent any measures to see that the recent economic collapse doesn't happen again, but to even lessen the regulations we aready have in place as well as subsidise the wealthy off the backs of the middle and lower classes. I would understand it if they were in the top 5%. But Joe **** the Ragman living in a Mississippi trailer park supporting Romney? Just doesn't make sense.

That's why God made emotional hot button issues.
 
Not if people remember what happens to our savings when a Republican president is sitting in the oval office. If anything, the stock market will help Obama. I know my investments have been on an uphill climb since he took office. Unlike the guy before him.

It amazes me to see otherwise thinking people want to support the same people who not only want to prevent any measures to see that the recent economic collapse doesn't happen again, but to even lessen the regulations we aready have in place as well as subsidise the wealthy off the backs of the middle and lower classes. I would understand it if they were in the top 5%. But Joe **** the Ragman living in a Mississippi trailer park supporting Romney? Just doesn't make sense.

Not surprising, but your answer is unresponsive. People live in the moment. Talking about investments that have moved up since the market doubled the last three years just proves you have a pulse.

If you don't want to discuss real world and what is currently going on in the market and what the impact on the election could have that is fine.

This thread has nothing to do with regulations, the top X% etc just the emotional impact of what happens when the market moves.

If you don't want to discuss this fine, but please do not derail this with any more trolling.
 
One thing I like about Obama is the way he is handling Iran/Israel. He is as close to anti-Israel is we'll ever see from a President, unfortunately. I'm not exactly anti-Israel, but this country is nothing but trouble for us. This Iran/Israel mess is far from over. Israel is likely to pull something soon which is going to send gas prices soaring. They threatened to bomb Iran in spring, which obviously hasn't happened. Whatever Obama and Europe are doing to keep Israel back (I believe that is what has kept Israel from acting.), I hope they keep doing it. It could be a game changer. Iran has a 1/6th of the world's oil supply and most of the world's oil goes through Iran. I'm not sure what Israel has in mind, but they moved up their election for some reason, which doesn't sound good. Bombing Iran would plummet the world's economy. If nothing happens b/w now and the election, and Romney gets elected, I fear he'd be more likely than Obama to wage a unilateral war with Iran.


ETA: I should say, the stocks go with confidence, and the above is one event, the ONLY one, really, that I see potentially rocking the U.S. economy. Otherwise, I think things will stay pretty much stagnant. IDK if that will hurt Obama or help.
 
Last edited:
Its possible but i think there will be a correction pretty soon. The Dow will break 13000 again.
 
One thing I like about Obama is the way he is handling Iran/Israel. He is as close to anti-Israel is we'll ever see from a President, unfortunately. I'm not exactly anti-Israel, but this country is nothing but trouble for us. This Iran/Israel mess is far from over. Israel is likely to pull something soon which is going to send gas prices soaring. They threatened to bomb Iran in spring, which obviously hasn't happened. Whatever Obama and Europe are doing to keep Israel back (I believe that is what has kept Israel from acting.), I hope they keep doing it. It could be a game changer. Iran has a 1/6th of the world's oil supply and most of the world's oil goes through Iran. I'm not sure what Israel has in mind, but they moved up their election for some reason, which doesn't sound good. Bombing Iran would plummet the world's economy. If nothing happens b/w now and the election, and Romney gets elected, I fear he'd be more likely than Obama to wage a unilateral war with Iran.


ETA: I should say, the stocks go with confidence, and the above is one event, the ONLY one, really, that I see potentially rocking the U.S. economy. Otherwise, I think things will stay pretty much stagnant. IDK if that will hurt Obama or help.

How wrong can one post be.

A. Europe specifically Greece is the key international event on the market's mind today.

B. Iran produces 4 out of 86 million barrels a day or less than 5% hardly your quotes 1/6

C. Israel has called off early elections.

D. Oil does not pass through Iran, but does pass through the Strait of Hormuz.

Glad to hear that you are not anti-Israel, but it seems you wish Europe had done a better job 70 years ago.
 
Its possible but i think there will be a correction pretty soon. The Dow will break 13000 again.

If the market moves up soon, I would agree that this will have little effect. If it lasts throughout the summer this could be a big problem.
 
Washunut, to prove me wrong, you have to have sources. I'd be interested in seeing them. I keep up on Iran bigtime, and have gotten all of these figures from Yahoo News articles, though also catch the news from other sources at times. You are right about the Strait of Hormuz. I simplified by using Iran b/c I couldn't think of the name. But, the Strait is controlled by Iran so there is no difference. Are you pro-Israel, just curious?
 
Washunut, to prove me wrong, you have to have sources. I'd be interested in seeing them. I keep up on Iran bigtime, and have gotten all of these figures from Yahoo News articles, though also catch the news from other sources at times. You are right about the Strait of Hormuz. I simplified by using Iran b/c I couldn't think of the name. But, the Strait is controlled by Iran so there is no difference. Are you pro-Israel, just curious?

Iran produces something like 4 million barrels a day, not hard to check. They are probably producing less right now, and can't even ship all of the oil they have produced as nations have already started cutting back buying oil from them. Not sure if your 1/6 comes from the percent coming out of the region or what their proven reserves are, but it has nothing to do what is being into the market daily.

As to you last question, I am in favor of not having another 6 million Jews killed by a madman.
 
If the market moves up soon, I would agree that this will have little effect. If it lasts throughout the summer this could be a big problem.

There isnt much the president can do about it. Europe is causing this mess. Lets hope they get their act together.
 
Iran produces something like 4 million barrels a day, not hard to check. They are probably producing less right now, and can't even ship all of the oil they have produced as nations have already started cutting back buying oil from them. Not sure if your 1/6 comes from the percent coming out of the region or what their proven reserves are, but it has nothing to do what is being into the market daily.

As to you last question, I am in favor of not having another 6 million Jews killed by a madman.

Iran is no threat to Israel. You know it. Even if, Israel has plenty of nukes to protect itself (*cough cough bought under the table *cough cough). It's proven it can take care of itself by its slaughtering of Palestinians daily. IDK why we give them so much loyalty when this country is mostly Christian, and Jews like Christians about as much as they like Muslims... We're lowly Gentiles. Come to think of it, I am pretty anti-Israel, though am a little afraid of saying that with the strong bias in the media. They're wrong to target to Iran, and we're wrong to support them when their unilateral moves will cost our economic recovery. Also, don't really get how you can basically say I'm a Nazi from stating facts about Israel and its impact on our economy, but you're right. I don't care for Jewish people. There is a reason they've gotten run out of almost every country they've gone to since the dawn of time, and why we need to watch Israel like a babysitter. It's ridiculous when they malign Christians there and destroy our Holy Land with their Muslim-battling.
 
Iran is no threat to Israel. You know it. Even if, Israel has plenty of nukes to protect itself (*cough cough bought under the table *cough cough). It's proven it can take care of itself by its slaughtering of Palestinians daily. IDK why we give them so much loyalty when this country is mostly Christian, and Jews like Christians about as much as they like Muslims... We're lowly Gentiles. Come to think of it, I am pretty anti-Israel, though am a little afraid of saying that with the strong bias in the media. They're wrong to target to Iran, and we're wrong to support them when their unilateral moves will cost our economic recovery. Also, don't really get how you can basically say I'm a Nazi from stating facts about Israel and its impact on our economy, but you're right. I don't care for Jewish people. There is a reason they've gotten run out of almost every country they've gone to since the dawn of time, and why we need to watch Israel like a babysitter. It's ridiculous when they malign Christians there and destroy our Holy Land with their Muslim-battling.

I agree. I have no problem watching 2 religions fight over a piece of desert.
 
Oh, and, yes, Iran is producing and selling less oil now because of European oil bans. I think Obama wants to ban Iranian oil, too, though don't think he has... Most of the threats seem to come from Israel so I don't see the point. Iran just wants nukes like everyone else. Doesn't seem fair to me, but, then, again, I don't hate countries just for having Muslim majorities and radical leaders. I, as a Christian, much prefer Muslims over Jews, though the Islam extremism is the problem that needs the attention - not Muslims as a whole. Israel is another thing. I don't hate Israel, I hate that it is a Jewish state.
 
Oddly enough, Greece probably has more influence over our election than Bernanke. IMHO, if Europe wasn't sucking wind Obama would be a shoe-in for reelection.
 
Oh, and, yes, Iran is producing and selling less oil now because of European oil bans. I think Obama wants to ban Iranian oil, too, though don't think he has... Most of the threats seem to come from Israel so I don't see the point. Iran just wants nukes like everyone else. Doesn't seem fair to me, but, then, again, I don't hate countries just for having Muslim majorities and radical leaders. I, as a Christian, much prefer Muslims over Jews, though the Islam extremism is the problem that needs the attention - not Muslims as a whole. Israel is another thing. I don't hate Israel, I hate that it is a Jewish state.

I am very glad that Obama has had the balls to modestly adjust our policy of acting as though Israel's government is utterly incapable of error. It's funny that Obama is attacked for his very mild criticism of Bibi when he is being attacked much more forceably by prominent Israelis, like a former head of Mossad, a former head of domestic intelligence, and a former head of military intelligence. Israel’s Iran Debate Takes New Turn | The Diplomat
 
There isnt much the president can do about it. Europe is causing this mess. Lets hope they get their act together.

Not saying that it his fault or that there is anything he can do about it. Just the reality of it hurting people's feeling we are on the right track so to speak. Ironic, but events change elections as much as policy positions. In 2008 I felt the election was over on October when the financial meltdown started become clearer.
 
Iran is no threat to Israel. You know it. Even if, Israel has plenty of nukes to protect itself (*cough cough bought under the table *cough cough). It's proven it can take care of itself by its slaughtering of Palestinians daily. IDK why we give them so much loyalty when this country is mostly Christian, and Jews like Christians about as much as they like Muslims... We're lowly Gentiles. Come to think of it, I am pretty anti-Israel, though am a little afraid of saying that with the strong bias in the media. They're wrong to target to Iran, and we're wrong to support them when their unilateral moves will cost our economic recovery. Also, don't really get how you can basically say I'm a Nazi from stating facts about Israel and its impact on our economy, but you're right. I don't care for Jewish people. There is a reason they've gotten run out of almost every country they've gone to since the dawn of time, and why we need to watch Israel like a babysitter. It's ridiculous when they malign Christians there and destroy our Holy Land with their Muslim-battling.


You are a sick.
 
Oddly enough, Greece probably has more influence over our election than Bernanke. IMHO, if Europe wasn't sucking wind Obama would be a shoe-in for reelection.

Not sure a shoe in but in better shape. If Greece goes he will be in a lot of trouble.
 
I am very glad that Obama has had the balls to modestly adjust our policy of acting as though Israel's government is utterly incapable of error. It's funny that Obama is attacked for his very mild criticism of Bibi when he is being attacked much more forceably by prominent Israelis, like a former head of Mossad, a former head of domestic intelligence, and a former head of military intelligence. Israel’s Iran Debate Takes New Turn | The Diplomat

Read post #13 and then let is know if you are comfortable being on the same side of the israel/Jewish position as Maiseycat. Perhaps you are, not sure.
 
Read post #13 and then let is know if you are comfortable being on the same side of the israel/Jewish position as Maiseycat. Perhaps you are, not sure.

I hate to tell you this, but a lot of people have this position - a growing number in the U.S. Yes, IDC for the Jewish faith. Jews hate Christians. What else is there to say? I've met a few nice Jewish people, but most are radicals who abhor Muslims and Arabs. I don't hate them as a people, but their religion, I do not care for, and Zionism is as dangerous as Islam, as we will see when Israel hits Iran just becuase it is a Muslim Theocracy. BTW, you're reported for your personal attack.
 
Read post #13 and then let is know if you are comfortable being on the same side of the israel/Jewish position as Maiseycat. Perhaps you are, not sure.

No, I'm not, and I can't imagine why you would leap to that conclusion.
 
No, I'm not, and I can't imagine why you would leap to that conclusion.

Meant no offense. But your response although totally appropriate, seemed to support one of his posts and wanted clarity. Again people can disagree with Israel and if they do feel free to express it. There are times I do the same. Post #13, put that person in a totally different place as far as I am concerned.
 
Back
Top Bottom