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Poll: Condi Rice tops GOP VP list [W:132]

rathi said:
I can't say I support Rices policies in the slightest, but it downright wrong to claim she is just a token attempt to grab women/minority support. She has more executive experience than Romney himself and is unquestionably qualified to hold the position of president, much less vice president. She is the polar opposite of Palin in terms of her credentials and capabilities. Her actions define who she is, not her gender or the color of her skin.
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Regardless of her gender or race, Condi Rice is an intelligent, qualified person.

Of course, those aren't always qualities of the Vice President....
 
Zyphlin said:
Oh jet....when you give us links, we can go and actually look at them. What you failed to post from the very same section, very next paragraph:
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Yeah I did read that.

Wasn't her personal viewpoint in the subject so I didn't deem it relevant.

I doubt it'll have much of an issue with the base.
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And I disagree.

There are few people as touchy as the "Not even in cases of Rape and Incest" crowd, they're already not wild about Romney because he was clearly a pro choice governor and him trying to back track on that is just not working.

Bush Administration or not, they may still find issue with that quote.

One of the biggest reasons Sarah Palin was picked in 2008 was because of her unbelievably stringent pro life stance.
 
Zyphlin said:
I disagree with you on a number of things here but we'll just go round and round on it (Such as Florida and VA both being southern swing states). I will say I'm not saying that someone like Christie wouldn't be a good option or perhaps even better option. They both add different things to the ticket to be sure. However, I think Christie's even less likely to take it than Rice.
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You might be correct on Christie not wanting the job. It would put him in line for a run himself. For that reason he might do it. Rice may have a better chance of taking it but both would want to be the first choice and not the second choice. If Romney asks Christie and he says no i think Rice would as well. I think if he asks Rice first Christie will say no.
 
I personalty think she would be a great choice, but she probably won't get picked because she supports gay marriage. Here is what she wrote in her book - ExtraOrdinary Ordinary People:

"I've been traditional" in believing that marriage was between a man and a woman, she said. "But I know a lot of very stable gay couples, in fact more stable than some of my heterosexual friends who didn't make it that long. And I think they have the right to be happy and to care for each other and I hope we find a way they can have a legal foundation" to recognize their commitment whether through civil unions or marriage.​

Forgetaboutit
 
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Zyphlin said:
Rice's sterling amount of experience internationally, and specifically with regards to intelligence and defense related foreign policy, is something I imagine would be viewed by a political campaign as a far more valuable asset political than her gender, or her ethnicity.
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I agree, although I'm not real sure she would attach herself to Romney.

I think she would be a very qualified VP candidate.
 
If you really want to speculate you ought to check this list out.

The 2012 Veepstakes: 20 possible VP picks for Mitt Romney | Deseret News

Yes, I left it on Portman for a reason. Begala seems to think hes the favorite at this point. His temperament is very similar to Romney and hes a hard campaigner. Who knows at this point though.

I still say that its hard to top Condaleeza Rice, though. Shes a very strong pick in so many areas.
 
It is funny because earlier today SB and I were talking about a Romney/Huntsman ticket and how I liked the general feeling of the ticket, although would have rather the names be in a different order. However, a Romney/Rice ticket does sound like a better ticket.
 
Zyphlin said:
Perhaps this is me disagreeing with the political implications of the use of "ploy", and could be due to my political science background.

Yes, every political campaign strategizes and takes actions based on strategy. Demographical benefits, be it due to geography, class, race, sex, religion, age, interests, etc are definitely taken into consideration. To not do so would be foolhearty. However, to me, to suggest that a pick is a "ploy" specifically to win over a specific voting block it implies that the individual is chosen singularly due to that particular characteristic and that otherwise they would have no use in being picked.

Looking at Biden for example...

Does the fact that you're choosing a "White" guy perhaps help a bit with demographics? Sure. However, I wouldn't call his choice a "ploy" to get the white vote because there are far more, and some better, reasons to go with him. Equal to the "white" guy was the fact he's viewed as somewhat of a "rural" and "Country" guy, with Pennsylvania where he grew up being viewed more as a "rural" country area than a "north eastern" type of location. Biden also chaired the Senate committee on foreign relations, shoring up a weak point in Obama's experience portfolio. Speaking of experience, that was another weak spot of Obama's. Biden has over 30 years as Senator. There were numerous reasons why Biden made a good running mate to pick for Obama beyond his race, and while it may've and most likely did play into the consideration I think to call it a "ploy" for the white vote to be a gross over statement.
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I guess I'm just taking a more generalized definition of ploy. I don't think that anyone chooses their VP running mate because they think they are the best person for the job. They do so for a number of reasons: To attempt to get a valuable swing state, to appeal to a certain ethnicity/gender, to shore up perceived weaknesses. To me...all of these are "ploys". My definition of "ploy" is not limited to race or ethnicity or gender. A ploy to me is a blatant attempt to try to get voters that you might not otherwise get. In which case, Rice would absolutely be a ploy....Palin was a ploy....Biden was a ploy, Dan Quayle was a ploy....
 
Women Boost Obama Over Romney in New ABC Poll - ABC News

Women Boost Obama Over Romney in New ABC Poll - ABC News

Poll: Obama still leads Romney among female voters - The Hill's Ballot Box

Poll: Obama still leads Romney among female voters - The Hill's Ballot Box

Poll: Obama leads Romney among women voters in swing states by 18

These articles and polls reflect the numbers in women voters. The woman vote leans well toward Obama. This is one of the reasons I see a selection of Rice as trying to build numbers in the women's vote for Romney.
 
OpportunityCost said:
If you really want to speculate you ought to check this list out.

The 2012 Veepstakes: 20 possible VP picks for Mitt Romney | Deseret News

Yes, I left it on Portman for a reason. Begala seems to think hes the favorite at this point. His temperament is very similar to Romney and hes a hard campaigner. Who knows at this point though.

I still say that its hard to top Condaleeza Rice, though. Shes a very strong pick in so many areas.
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But what kind of vote in states that Romney needs can she bring to the campaign. She will bring conservative votes in conservative states and that means little. It doesn't bring in needed states to the campaign. Most of her resume is great but most of the resume will go unseen by most voters. She is linked to the Bush administration which doesn't get a lot of great press.
She brings nothing beyond the race card and her gender to the ticket. Christie would do far more to potentially add some votes in states Romney will need.
 
Condi Rice would be a great pick, no doubt about it, but I understand she doesn't want the job. Who's next on the list? Surely, he can do better than the last Republican candidate who picked... what's her name again? The woman who shoots wolves in Alaska and can skin a moose? Oh, yes, Sarah! Sure, that was a great pick. Sarah who still maintains that Paul Revere went off to warn the British!

Maybe Mitt can talk her into it. If not, I'll accept. I'm retired now and could take on a part time job, after all, and I'm far better qualified than Sarah Palin.
 
Sadly....John McCain won't be remembered for any of his accomplishments. He'll be remembered as the idiot who unleashed Sarah Palin on America.
 
katiegrrl0 said:
Women Boost Obama Over Romney in New ABC Poll - ABC News

Women Boost Obama Over Romney in New ABC Poll - ABC News

Poll: Obama still leads Romney among female voters - The Hill's Ballot Box

Poll: Obama still leads Romney among female voters - The Hill's Ballot Box

Poll: Obama leads Romney among women voters in swing states by 18

These articles and polls reflect the numbers in women voters. The woman vote leans well toward Obama. This is one of the reasons I see a selection of Rice as trying to build numbers in the women's vote for Romney.
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Without a doubt, that is one of the things she brings to the ticket. She brings a lot more than that, though.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Arent you just the cutest little mysogynist. Got those stereotypes down cold eh?
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Sometimes you just gotta shake your head at the strange prejudices folks have. I agree she'd be a very strong VP but I think she overshadows Romney.
 
rocket88 said:
Without a doubt, that is one of the things she brings to the ticket. She brings a lot more than that, though.
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What does she brings that translates into winning a state? She may add votes but most will come in states that Romney will get anyway. There is little she can add. A VP choice like Christie gives Romney a chance in a place like New Jersey. That makes a difference. Another 5% margin of victory in say Alabama does not add 1 extra electoral vote to the Romney total. A win in New Jersey would add to his total.
 
Navy Pride said:
She is at best Moderate to Conservative........Far from a neo con
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Wow, I'm actually agreeing with Navy Pride. Never thought I'd see the day..

OT: Yeah, Rice is qualified for the VP slot. The only problem she would have is that her more moderate social stance would not go so well with some more social conservative types.
 
Navy Pride said:
She is at best Moderate to Conservative........Far from a neo con
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Condi ain't no moderate. That being said she is one of the most intelligent deserving respect persons from the right even if one disagrees with her. In the vain of William F Buckley Jr. whom could present very lucid involved arguments with sincerity and eloquence.
 
I'd enjoy that, but unless she has ambitions to be strong in the position, I don't see her doing it.
 
Navy Pride said:
She is at best Moderate to Conservative........Far from a neo con
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She is in the traditional sense, in that she started from being a Democrat and switched parties due to foreign policy views. That being said, one need not be lumped in with the Scoop Jackson Democrats or the Neo-Reaganite platform just because she was in the Bush administration. Further, most of those so-called neoconservatives were more aligned under the Department of Defense, whereas she was really under the State Department.
 
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katiegrrl0 said:
What does she brings that translates into winning a state? She may add votes but most will come in states that Romney will get anyway. There is little she can add. A VP choice like Christie gives Romney a chance in a place like New Jersey. That makes a difference. Another 5% margin of victory in say Alabama does not add 1 extra electoral vote to the Romney total. A win in New Jersey would add to his total.
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She brings some of the black vote....All Romney needs of that is about 15% to win........
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Wow, I'm actually agreeing with Navy Pride. Never thought I'd see the day..

OT: Yeah, Rice is qualified for the VP slot. The only problem she would have is that her more moderate social stance would not go so well with some more social conservative types.
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I personally think that the Hard core conservatives would fall in line to get rid of Hussein Obama...........
 
99percenter said:
You don't know what a neocon is.
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by short definition a free market conservative

actually there seem to be like 30 definitions of neocon?

heres merriiam websters

1
: a former liberal espousing political conservatism
2
: a conservative who advocates the assertive promotion of democracy and United States national interest in international affairs including through military means
 
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