So you think Romney is the 1%... You may want to rethink what that means...

VanceMack said:

:lamo Good thing that you and people like you finally figured out what that 'reall' means...240 years later...

PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE does NOT mean create massive government WELFARE programs.

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...and you make that statement supported by what?????

johnny_rebson said:

It's not just that Mitt created RomneyCare, the precursor to ObamaCare.

Romney raised taxes in Massachusetts.

Romney ran as a pro-choice candidate.

Romney supported the Brady bill and enacted a gun ban in Massachusetts.

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Don't be an idiot... Romney didn't raise taxes in MA, he cut taxes 19 times... The tax base went up when Romney was Governor, but that's because property values went up dramatically during that housing boom... and property taxes are a large part of a tax base...

Romney ran as a pro-choice candidate, and governed as a right to life governor... all of the legislation he signed reflected that stance... he has stood by those right to life convictions since 2003 which if you can count, is a decade.... (More than most politicians can be credited for standing by something anyway)... either way Obama is a pro-choice president... so if you don't vote for Romney, you're endorsing a pro-choice president... against a guy who has a record in office of being pro-life...

Yes... Romney was right to support the anti-gun legislation in MA... we had murder rates escalating in all of our major cities at the time... gang violence rampant in Brockton, Lowell, Springfield, Fall River, etc. BTW, just so you're aware... it doesnt ban guns all together... it bands automatic assault weapons that are murdering innocent victims... so yeah, if you want an automatic assault riffle so you can fire a spray of bullets into a subway stop and kill a woman and her baby... or so you can steal a gold chain from 14 yr old riding a city bus and when he tries to resist you shoot him and flee... or to own one of the T-Shirts saying "snitches get stitches"... maybe Mitt Romney isn't the candidate for you... but those are just two of the major news stories from Boston when Romney came into office... there were countless others... Romney saw a problem and tried to deal with it... btw gang violence went down when he was governor... its back up under Deval Patrick (obama's buddy)

Again... don't fall for the liberal attacks ads like a fool...

Youre supporting a blatant leftist for a guy who has run as a moderate conservative... good plan... :roll:

They won't hear the message until Nov 6 it seems.

Gimmesometruth said:

LOL...and then conservatives like yourself rail against its implementation on the national scale.

Weird...huh?

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Not weird at all. I am a fiscal conservative and I very much object to the national implementation of health care...or the fed bailing out irresponsible states. I personally dont give a rats ass what Massachusetts implements as long as the citizens of their state PAY for it. Yeah...Im a bit wary of a federal government that cant do something as simple as pass a budget being given GREATER debt and responsibility. I know...silly...right? But hey...if you dont give a **** about your grandchildren being saddled with a 16 trillion dollar debt and climbing I do.

upsideguy said:

...and you make that statement supported by what?????

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240 years without nationalized healthcare.

AdamT said:

Your ignorance of history never ceases to amaze me. Lincoln was never extremely wealthy. He was a successful lawyer in a very small town. That's about it. He grew up dirt poor.

Complete bull****. Garfield only served 200 days, having been shot by an assassin just four months into his term and being deathly ill until he died some months later. Despite the fact that he only served 200 days, he ranks four places above George W. Bush in a composite poll of presidential historians. None of the ten polls listed in Wikipedia have Garfield ranked anywhere near last, and I'm not aware of any charges of corruption during his brief administration. Surely you've confused him with William Harding. :roll:

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LMFAO @ a small town... yes, the state capital of IL... springfield... was basically tiny... he was the top lawyer in the state... who had an extremely wealthy practice... in fact, it was Republican spin in his election campaigns that tried to paint him as poor... he really wasn't as poor as he was made out to be... so you fell for Republican propaganda... well done...

And Garfield is part of the stretch of bad Republicans who followed Lincoln... (Johnson, Grant, Hayes, Garfield, Arthur...) They were all involved with numerous corruption scandals... Credit Mobiliere, Salary Grab Act, Etc. (all of which Garfield was implicated as a major player in) And the big one which plagued the Garfield administration was the Conkling affair... in which he agreed to appoint numerous officials that Conkling had selected, then went back on it... However, he had appointed several corrupt NY Conkling machine members already... Other appointments included carpetbaggers, as he was trying to make waves with the republican party in the south... Then there was his witch hunt of the Thomas Brady for the corruption within the post office, and yet it was his own campaign manager being mostly responsible for it, and Brady being vindicated after Garfield's death (but also after Garfield made him resign over it) might also have been lost on you... Garfield was also assasinated for combative views against religious institutions... Your knowledge of history astounds me as well... You seem to have the elementary school version...

I don't place garfield as dead last, but he's very near the bottom on this... (and no im not mistaking him for warren harding... )

The trouble with composite lists and such, is there is always who gets chosen to be taken out of the list (which often includes garfield, because his short administration), but then theyll throw presidents under the bus who had to deal with far more negative issues over four years... if you figure in the 200 days that Garfield was president and multiply those scandals he was involved in by 8 (and continue going on the rate of scandal he was involved in during his time as a senator & as president) he'd clearly be considered as one of the bottom 5..... too often he gets a pass...

Some of those polls in the composite will have Jackson as last because of the trail of tears, Buchanan as last because support for slavery, others will place George W Bush as last because theyre liberals and passifists, some place FDR as last because of abuse of the constitution, some place JFK as last because they feel he was a communist, etc. You gotta watch who is being polled and what their bias is... and how that effects the results of the polls...

If you'll note, from that wikipedia source of yours... the "greatest" presidents involve the ones on the backside of large scale wars we won... absolving the of involvement in escalating them... or involvement in when we could've remained out of them... and yet are hard on the modern presidents for their involvement in military conflicts... double standards involved when looking back at the overglorification of Americanization... You might also want to note the negative ratings of presidents like Millard Filmore and Franklin Pierce, because they didn't stop slavery (which is applying current political viewpoints on prior presidents when popular sentiment backed slavery at the time they were presidents) In reality most people on that list, including historians, wouldnt be able to name a thing that Millard Filmore or Frankin Pierce did, while putting them in the lowest quartile...

Again, looking at the list they persistently have Andrew Jackson listed as a one of the greatest presidents... in reality he was a horrible president, who was all over the map on his positions, and brutal in his execution of them... always opting for strict military enforcement of controversial and almost universally opposed acts... He was also riddled with scandal, and often involed in duels... Trail of Tears, system of spoils, kitchen cabinet, petticoat affair, states rights (yet battled against nullification), the specie circular which directly created the panic of 1837, etc. Plus, the guy was unable to work with any of his opponents... immediately resulted to violence... wanted to shoot John Quincy Adams, Henry Clay, and John C Calhoun (all 3 fairly level headed and respected politicians and statesmen of the times)... that's not good leadership... ...

Also... look how Thomas Jefferson consistently ranks in the top percentage of presidents... this has to do with overglorification and Americanization as well... his presidency was a disaster from start to finish... yet, he is remembered from being one who drafted the declaration of independence... (only he just penned it, not created it, and I mean pen and ink, not even the words... those were hashed out between several people, including Franklin and Adams), then add that he's on the nickel, the two dollar bill, and is on mount rushmore, and ya get a little positive rememberance for that... Yet, Calvin Coolidge gets looked down on for the Boston Police strike... something that occured in MA when he was governor... not his presidency...

A real list of historians, and I mean, good ones... places Garfield in the bottom 10 presidents... and that's going off his failings in only 4 months, much of which involved treating his wife for disease and vacating washington, and then trying to survive his own health complications, as well...

Garfield was hated by the majority of his own party, and by the growing democratic party... 3 more years of that and the Democrats may have made the case for impeachment somewhere in there as well... with republican support for it, to favor his more prefered VP chester a arthur (who turned out to be a crappy president as well)...

I shouldve also added that Andrew Jackson was rich as hell... and a large plantation owner, who was a general in several wars... he often gets labeled as poor because 1) his unrefined nature, and 2) how he lost much of his wealth over his life as a result of bad decisions and behaviors...

It also should be said that Garfield wasn't exactly poor either... and a long time politically connected Senator...

I think we need to walk away from the "popular" history, and start dealing with the actual history of things...

I wouldnt have responded either, Adam. Pretty tough to maintain Romney doesnt understand or care about the needs of the poor AND tag him for being the guy that AUTHORED state run healthcare...right? SO...to recap...you are a complete hypocrite and dont give a **** about rich dems and their capacity to connect with the 'little people', and the guy you claim 'cant' has already done more than you will ever dream of.

Yeah man...Id just let it drop too.

upsideguy said:

...and you make that statement supported by what?????

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how about by the fact that the people who wrote it never implemented any of them... ? Or ever discussed any of them...

Some Poll result Romney got 3% less voting against Obama. So the Obama is going to win ? Still 6 Months are there.