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Mitt Romney warns NRA against an 'unrestrained' second-term Obama

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The man who signed this nation's first assault weapons ban, increased fees for gun owners by 400% in Massachusetts and supports the Brady bill has the nerve to warn us about what Obama might do to restrict 2nd amendment rights. Really?


Mitt Romney warns NRA against an 'unrestrained' second-term Obama - latimes.com


Reporting from St. Louis—
Mitt Romney drew a warm reception from the National Rifle Assn. on Friday as he attacked President Obama for “employing every imaginable ruse and ploy” to restrict gun rights, which Romney pledged not to do if elected in November.

Although gun control groups have complained that Obama has done little to support their cause, Romney took a page from the NRA leadership, which has been saying that the president is waiting for a second term to crack down on firearms. He warned that Obama would “remake” the Supreme Court in a second term, threatening constitutional freedoms.

“In a second term, he would be unrestrained by the demands of re-election,” Romney told a crowd estimated at 6,000 in the cavernous Edward Jones Dome. “As he told the Russian president last month when he thought no one else was listening, after a re-election he’ll have a lot more, quote, 'flexibility' to do what he wants. I’m not exactly sure what he meant by that, but looking at his first three years, I have a very good idea.”
 
Yep, I think the recent uptick in gun and ammunition purchases comes from people anticipating a possible Romney victory. Certainly gun owners have more to fear from a Romney presidency than they do from an Obama reelection.
 
AdamT said:
Yep, I think the recent uptick in gun and ammunition purchases comes from people anticipating a possible Romney victory. Certainly gun owners have more to fear from a Romney presidency than they do from an Obama reelection.
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that's really stupid given the fact that Obama's supreme court pick Quotamayor voted against gun rights
 
TurtleDude said:
that's really stupid given the fact that Obama's supreme court pick Quotamayor voted against gun rights
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That's utterly stupid given the fact that Romney himself banned "assault weapons" when he had the chance. Obviously you would be apoplectic with rage if Obama had done the same.
 
AdamT said:
Yep, I think the recent uptick in gun and ammunition purchases comes from people anticipating a possible Romney victory. Certainly gun owners have more to fear from a Romney presidency than they do from an Obama reelection.
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Obama will probably enact twice as many anti-gun laws during his second term than he did during his first term.
 
AdamT said:
That's utterly stupid given the fact that Romney himself banned "assault weapons" when he had the chance. Obviously you would be apoplectic with rage if Obama had done the same.
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Edify me on your expertise in the gun debate. Who do you think is going to be more likely to pick pro gun judges-the GOP or the Dems? Obama supported assault weapon bans on a state level and ran on reinstating the Clinton gun ban.

I love gun hating libs pretending they know who is better for gun owners than a guy who has been among other things

General counsel for the largest NRA gun club in the country
counsel for gun dealers and a Title II manufacturer (machine guns)
a former member of the US shooting team, a collegiate two time All American shooter and a three time NSSA first team all American (Open international)

so I suspect I am a bit more up on what politician is less anti gun than the other
 
johnny_rebson said:
Obama will probably enact twice as many anti-gun laws during his second term than he did during his first term.
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In all fairness he didn't enact any-the dems were afraid to get 1994'd in the first two years and Harry Reid wasn't going to allow any to come up and once the GOP got congress gun control bills were DOA
 
The biggest threat to the NRA is the ambivalence of the Obama administration to gun control issues. There has been ZERO effort by the Dems on gun control, which threatens the NRA's political relevance. So their response is to make up issues.....
 
upsideguy said:
The biggest threat to the NRA is the ambivalence of the Obama administration to gun control issues. There has been ZERO effort by the Dems on gun control, which threatens the NRA's political relevance. So their response is to make up issues.....
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let me guess=you are a life member of the NRA? the NRA does far more things than protect against the hysterical anti gun nonsense that was originally started by the DNC in an effort to prove that Dem politicians were "doing something about crime" in the 1960s. The NRA is the premier firearms safety organization and many cops who survive gun fights do so due to stuff they learned from NRA created training. The NRA hosts hundreds of competitions throughout the USA.

the fact is, your master is a gun hater who was only restrained by the memory of 1994 and the fact that Harry Reid knows if he allows a gun bill to pass, he is toast in his home state
 
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Risky Thicket said:
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I suspect I know a bit more about how federal judges are picked than most of the people in this forum and I also know that 99% of the judges we'd get with Romney are the same we'd get with Newt or Rick or Jeb Bush or Mitch Daniels or C2 or Nikki Hailey etc. and they would be far better on the gun issue than Obama's who have already proven to be anti gun
 
TurtleDude said:
Edify me on your expertise in the gun debate. Who do you think is going to be more likely to pick pro gun judges-the GOP or the Dems? Obama supported assault weapon bans on a state level and ran on reinstating the Clinton gun ban.

I love gun hating libs pretending they know who is better for gun owners than a guy who has been among other things

General counsel for the largest NRA gun club in the country
counsel for gun dealers and a Title II manufacturer (machine guns)
a former member of the US shooting team, a collegiate two time All American shooter and a three time NSSA first team all American (Open international)

so I suspect I am a bit more up on what politician is less anti gun than the other
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Here's all you need to know:

Obama has enacted NO anti-gun legislation in over three years;
Mitt Romney campaigned against assault weapons and banned them as soon as he had the chance.

Any more questions?
 
For perhaps the first year or two, sure. There stands the possibility that the President will use the moment to push through various executive orders and so on, but then after that the Democratic party is going to re-evaluate its priorities in expectation for 2015-2016. Unless the Democrats gain more power, I would be quite the skeptic in saying it is "unrestrained" in much of anything.
 
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johnny_rebson said:
Obama will probably enact twice as many anti-gun laws during his second term than he did during his first term.
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Yep, he probably will. And since 2 * 0 = 0, that would amount to ZERO anti-gun laws. :lol:
 
AdamT said:
Here's all you need to know:

Obama has enacted NO anti-gun legislation in over three years;
Mitt Romney campaigned against assault weapons and banned them as soon as he had the chance.

Any more questions?
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and you totally ignored the reasons why. and sotomayor voted against gun rights
 
TurtleDude said:
and you totally ignored the reasons why. and sotomayor voted against gun rights
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The reasons why Romney banned assault weapons? Please go ahead and defend Romney's gun ban -- I'm all ears. :popcorn2:
 
anyone want to make a bet on who the Brady Bunch and the VPC endorses for president in 2012? If you believe Adam T, it will be Romney. I guess if they do then he is right.
 
AdamT said:
The reasons why Romney banned assault weapons? Please go ahead and defend Romney's gun ban -- I'm all ears. :popcorn2:
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Romney is a poor candidate on that issue but better than Obama due to the realities of his party

so tell me-since you pretend to understand this issue

who is going to be endorsed by the major anti gun groups

who is going to be endorsed or at least preferred by the major pro gun groups?
 
TurtleDude said:
Romney is a poor candidate on that issue but better than Obama due to the realities of his party

so tell me-since you pretend to understand this issue

who is going to be endorsed by the major anti gun groups

who is going to be endorsed or at least preferred by the major pro gun groups?
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I suspect that gun groups will tepidly support Romney, simply because he's a Republican. It certainly could not be because of his record on gun rights!

Governor Romney has a solid record of pursuing gun control measures to control crime and increase safety. He is vocally supportive of the assault weapons ban, supported a waiting period, and supports registration. While Governor he continued Massachusetts's history of gun control advocacy.

In 2002, Mitt Romney stated in a debate that he supported the tough gun laws in Massachusetts and that he believed they help protect us and keep us safe. He vowed not to chip away at those laws.

While in office, Governor Romney supported the Brady bill and a waiting period because it was necessary to complete a background check. More recently, he has stated that with the advent of instant background checks, a waiting period is no longer required.

He stated that his views did not line up with the NRA. After initiating his Presidential campaign in 2007, Governor Romney joined the NRA with a lifetime membership. He asserted in a taped speech that he supported second amendment rights for all legal purposes, including the common defense.

In 2004, the federal ban on assault weapons expired. Before that happened, Governor Romney signed a bill to permanently ban assault weapons in Massachusetts. That same legislation also extended the term of a firearm identification card and a license to carry firearms from four years to six years, granted a 90-day grace period for holders of firearm identification cards and licenses to carry who have applied for renewal, and created a seven-member Firearm License Review Board to review firearm license applications that have been denied. Governor Romney later stated that the legislation was good overall for firearms owners because of these provisions. During the discussion over the ban, Governor Romney stated that assault weapons were not for hunting or self defense, but were instruments of destruction.

Governor Romney has been supportive of the second amendment in the general sense while campaigning for the Presidency in 2012, but continued to support an assault weapons ban in the 2008 elections. Since that time, he has stated that he does not believe that the nation wide assault weapons ban should be re-instituted.

He does not address the issue on his 2012 campaign website.

Mitt Romney - The Second Amendment
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TurtleDude said:
let me guess=you are a life member of the NRA? the NRA does far more things than protect against the hysterical anti gun nonsense that was originally started by the DNC in an effort to prove that Dem politicians were "doing something about crime" in the 1960s. The NRA is the premier firearms safety organization and many cops who survive gun fights do so due to stuff they learned from NRA created training. The NRA hosts hundreds of competitions throughout the USA.

the fact is, your master is a gun hater who was only restrained by the memory of 1994 and the fact that Harry Reid knows if he allows a gun bill to pass, he is toast in his home state
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Let me restate: I was suggesting there is a threat to their POLITICAL relevance, not their organizational relevance. The Obama administration hasn't even hinted of gun control legislation. There is no current gun control issue; hence, the NRA is essentially bystander in this election. They have nothing to talk about (except the stuff they make up to talk about).
 
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AdamT said:
I suspect that gun groups will tepidly support Romney, simply because he's a Republican. It certainly could not be because of his record on gun rights!
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more idiocy-tell me who do you think the brady center will endorse? DO you understand that the NRA endorsed Ted Strickland for Ohio governor and Richard Cordray for AG in that same state-both DEMOCRATS. and given that 2010 was the census year meaning whomever was governor was going to have a huge bit of influence over redrawing congressional districts, this was not some minor issue in the most important swing state in the USA.

the fact is, the NRA understands this issue far better than you do. judges are the most important legacy of the presidential elections. Bush's two picks were two of the 5 votes in favor of gun rights in Heller and McDonald. If Kerry or Gore had picked those two justices most experts believe Heller and McDonald would have been a 5-4 win for statist anti gun laws.
 
upsideguy said:
Let me restate: I was suggesting there is a threat to their POLITICAL relevance, not their organizational relevance.
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They sure did ok during the 10 years of Reagan and Bush I (who flipped around 1990 to ban some importation of some firearms) when gun control was pretty much a dead issue other than the Hughes amendment which was attached to a pro firearms law by a deceitful dem congressman and George Mitchell in an attempt to derail the mostly good parts of the law
 
upsideguy said:
The biggest threat to the NRA is the ambivalence of the Obama administration to gun control issues. There has been ZERO effort by the Dems on gun control, which threatens the NRA's political relevance. So their response is to make up issues.....
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I was an NRA member at one time and yes, they make up issues for sure. I got tired of their stupid letters every 3d day begging for money. Not to mention the endless propaganda they email out and send through snail mail. I would do my own research on some of their crap and some of it was un-verifiable. Screw the NRA, there are better pro-gun organizations. Heh, I guess you can say I'm a disgruntled former member but I had to vent lol.
 
TurtleDude said:
more idiocy-tell me who do you think the brady center will endorse? DO you understand that the NRA endorsed Ted Strickland for Ohio governor and Richard Cordray for AG in that same state-both DEMOCRATS. and given that 2010 was the census year meaning whomever was governor was going to have a huge bit of influence over redrawing congressional districts, this was not some minor issue in the most important swing state in the USA.

the fact is, the NRA understands this issue far better than you do. judges are the most important legacy of the presidential elections. Bush's two picks were two of the 5 votes in favor of gun rights in Heller and McDonald. If Kerry or Gore had picked those two justices most experts believe Heller and McDonald would have been a 5-4 win for statist anti gun laws.
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Well, given that both Romney and Obama supported the Brady Bill, it would not surprise me if the Brady Center chose not to pick sides.

McDonald and Heller are now precedent. I don't see the Court reversing its landmark decisions in a matter of years no matter who is appointed in the next four years.
 
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