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take off your blinds ron paul is still in the race.with the msm blessings or not.

It's weird to hear a Paulista tell everyone else to take off their blinders.

These guys are so entranced by the ramblings of this one nutjob that they're blind to reality.
 
NAKED N00B said:
It's weird to hear a Paulista tell everyone else to take off their blinders.

These guys are so entranced by the ramblings of this one nutjob that they're blind to reality.
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I've heard this argument too many times. Explain how he is "nutjob." I'll gladly take you on in this issue because a lot of perception of Ron Paul is completely false. Do you understand his policies? Have you ever truly and unbiasedly researched his views?
 
AreteCourage said:
I've heard this argument too many times. Explain how he is "nutjob." I'll gladly take you on in this issue because a lot of perception of Ron Paul is completely false. Do you understand his policies? Have you ever truly and unbiasedly researched his views?
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I won't say he is a nutjob, but I will say his promises are out of reach for what he wants to do. For even a minority of what he wants to do would require the support of congress which is something he wouldn't have.
 
The Rent Is Too Damn High guy is still in the election too, does not mean we have to take him seriously either.
 
TheNextEra said:
I won't say he is a nutjob, but I will say his promises are out of reach for what he wants to do. For even a minority of what he wants to do would require the support of congress which is something he wouldn't have.
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I know he would have a tough time getting a lot of his ideas through Congress. I also know that through executive orders that he could get a lot repealed in the short term.
 
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The Rent Is Too Damn High guy is still in the election too, does not mean we have to take him seriously either.
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Yeah, but does he have crowds in the thousands come out to hear his speeches? Does that clown appeal to anyone with serious ideas? Vermin Supreme is also in the election, but it is all just a schtick. Ron Paul runs on civil liberties, and fiscal conservatism. Ron Paul will draw larger crowds then the Republican nominees.
 
AreteCourage said:
Yeah, but does he have crowds in the thousands come out to hear his speeches? Does that clown appeal to anyone with serious ideas? Vermin Supreme is also in the election, but it is all just a schtick. Ron Paul runs on civil liberties, and fiscal conservatism. Ron Paul will draw larger crowds then the Republican nominees.
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Justin Beiber gets even bigger crowds. I don't take him seriously either. People showing up to hear you talk != serious candidate.
 
AreteCourage said:
I know he would have a tough time getting a lot of his ideas through Congress. I also know that through executive orders that he could get a lot repealed in the short term.
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The main problem is Ron Paul wants a lot of change quickly. While that appeals to some younger adults, the one thing politics has taught me is that the majoirty of people do not want a lot of change quickly.

So for the majority of people, they don't like Ron Paul's quick change ideas.

If you really want something to change, it has to be gradual or you will be in a fight for quick change.
 
AreteCourage said:
Yeah, but does he have crowds in the thousands come out to hear his speeches? Does that clown appeal to anyone with serious ideas? Vermin Supreme is also in the election, but it is all just a schtick. Ron Paul runs on civil liberties, and fiscal conservatism. Ron Paul will draw larger crowds then the Republican nominees.
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As already pointed out, large crowds does not equal voter turnout. Noone denies Ron can draw in a crowd, but compare that crowd to the people that aren't there. You will find out that it is hype without bite.
 
AreteCourage said:
I've heard this argument too many times. Explain how he is "nutjob." I'll gladly take you on in this issue because a lot of perception of Ron Paul is completely false. Do you understand his policies? Have you ever truly and unbiasedly researched his views?
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The fact that he is still trying proves he's a nutjob. There is no point to research a person that has no chance of even competing. He is a dead issue. He was a dead issue before he even started. He is a meaningless blip on the radar of any election.
 
katiegrrl0 said:
The fact that he is still trying proves he's a nutjob. There is no point to research a person that has no chance of even competing. He is a dead issue. He was a dead issue before he even started. He is a meaningless blip on the radar of any election.
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Ron Paul isn't staying in so he can win, he's staying in to prove a point and to highlight that the front-runners are not the answer. So in that case, I wouldn't say he was a nutjob because he's staying in.
 
I'm a Ron Paul supporter for his social policies. However, his fiscal policies are totally and completely out of whack.
Total free-market society does not work. Just look at the world during and just after the industrial revolution. Sweatshops, unsafe working conditions, the raping and polluting of the land.

Ending the FED? Strict gold standard? Will never happen and would be disastrous if it did.
 
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TheNextEra said:
The main problem is Ron Paul wants a lot of change quickly. While that appeals to some younger adults, the one thing politics has taught me is that the majoirty of people do not want a lot of change quickly.

So for the majority of people, they don't like Ron Paul's quick change ideas.

If you really want something to change, it has to be gradual or you will be in a fight for quick change.
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If our country ran on the idea that the majority had to aprove then we would still be part of Britain. The weight of the majority should mean nothing, if the majority of people want to end free spech shold it be allowed?

"In Republics, the great danger is, that the majority may not sufficiently respect the rights of the minority”- James Madison
 
NAKED N00B said:
It's weird to hear a Paulista tell everyone else to take off their blinders.

These guys are so entranced by the ramblings of this one nutjob that they're blind to reality.
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Whats TRULY insane is the people still believe in the status quo.

The only things of his I cant agree with off the top of my mind are removing us from the U.N. Bad idea.

And returning to Gold standard. I think it should be much broader. We people should be able to chose whatever we want our currency to represent.

Is someone making a Liberty dollar that is out performing the normal dollar? CAPITALISM BABY!
 
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Train wrecks, fires, and bad auto accidents draw large crows too.
 
Wake up, people. Paul's chances of getting the nomination are slim and none, and slim just left town.
 
katiegrrl0 said:
The fact that he is still trying proves he's a nutjob. There is no point to research a person that has no chance of even competing. He is a dead issue. He was a dead issue before he even started. He is a meaningless blip on the radar of any election.
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Ron Paul is staying in not to gain the votes of corporate puppets but to win the hearts and minds of the people of this country; to educate the plebian masses. You argue that he is a nutjob for staying in when in reality he is the opposite he is the only candidate that utilizes reason and logic. Many have given up on restoring our republic, but Ron Paul does not stop preeching freedom, he cares about more than just winning an election and if you cannot see this than you are the nutjob not him. I guess he he's a meaningless blip if you think inspiring millions of people to stand and march for their freedom is meaningless. Even if Ron Paul dosn't win he will still cause a ripple effect like Barry Goldwater, he has planted a seed in the minds of the next generation that they will hold dear when they are the majority of voters. Barry goldwaters support by youth got Ronald Reagen elected 20 years later, the same can be said of the Ron paul youth.
 
Chiefgator said:
Just look at the world during and just after the industrial revolution. Sweatshops, unsafe working conditions, the raping and polluting of the land.

Ending the FED? Strict gold standard? Will never happen and would be disastrous if it did.
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Why don't you look at the industrial revolution my friend, before it the world consisted of farmers and poor peasentry for thousands of years. Just a few hundred years later most people have acces to computers and tv's, why do you think this is? Well I'll tell you its called pure capatilism, are you familiar with the guilded age?

When did our economy in the US go bad? The answer is when the gold standard was cut and the FED reserve took place. I suggest taking some economic classes or perhaps reading a book.
 
DeoVindice said:
Ron Paul is staying in not to gain the votes of corporate puppets but to win the hearts and minds of the people of this country; to educate the plebian masses. You argue that he is a nutjob for staying in when in reality he is the opposite he is the only candidate that utilizes reason and logic. Many have given up on restoring our republic, but Ron Paul does not stop preeching freedom, he cares about more than just winning an election and if you cannot see this than you are the nutjob not him. I guess he he's a meaningless blip if you think inspiring millions of people to stand and march for their freedom is meaningless. Even if Ron Paul dosn't win he will still cause a ripple effect like Barry Goldwater, he has planted a seed in the minds of the next generation that they will hold dear when they are the majority of voters. Barry goldwaters support by youth got Ronald Reagen elected 20 years later, the same can be said of the Ron paul youth.
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I hate to tell you this, but Barry rejected most of his extremist views in his later years in the Senate.

I used to be an Anarchist, a brother to your Libertarianism. I see errors in those past views. You eventually will see your errors too.
 
I know this goes against the doxology of Ron, but he didn't invent Libertarianism.

DON'T SHOOT THE MESSENGER !!!! :shock:

So to my mind it is reasonable to suggest that if the message hasn't lit a fire under the 'conservatives', the sick and tired of it, the young people, ahhh whoever is thought to appreciate the message by now...

Well maybe there is something wrong with the message.

I equate Ron Paul's appeal like a niche band. Most of us can't name a song, or who the drummer is, might have seen a snippet on 'em but can't recall the details but the loyal fans can sing every song as it was written just for them!

Frankly if Ron Paul was serious about changing the trajectory of our nation then perhaps he should retire from Congress and go on tour, seems he can draw a crowd and if done OUTSIDE the circus election run-up perhaps his story grows legs.

I would however point out when Empires collapse the era is marked with political instability and embracing radical ideas rather than simply pulling firmly, but easily on a reign. That a current direction looks bad doesn't mean we leap from the wagon and announce every man and gold hoarder for himself!

Justa thought
 
DeoVindice said:
Why don't you look at the industrial revolution my friend, before it the world consisted of farmers and poor peasentry for thousands of years. Just a few hundred years later most people have acces to computers and tv's, why do you think this is? Well I'll tell you its called pure capatilism, are you familiar with the guilded age?
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Wrong. This is the result of accumulated scientific and engineering advances, which primarily started with Christianity which forces logical thinking. Capitalists have existed ever since the first caveman stole rocks from another caveman.
 
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