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Obama wins ohio primary

TurtleDude said:
Romney has a track record of competence

Obama does not
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Translation: Romney is a Republican. Obama is not. Didn't Obama come from some rather difficult circumstances to a law school professor?
 
Harshaw said:
The mistake is in thinking the President needs to lead.

Oh, sure, there are extraordinary times when it's necessary. But in ordinary, peaceful times, he should barely exist in any form that people notice. Division and "rebellion" should also be irrelevant. We're not a herd of cattle, and he's not a drover.
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So, the president is not a leader?

Why even have a president, then?
 
Dittohead not! said:
So, the president is not a leader?

Why even have a president, then?
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The President heads the government, not the nation. The government is there to secure rights so that people may go about their daily lives unimpeded. The state should be pretty much invisible in normal times, so the head of state need not be heard from or seen much at all. People's lives are their own to conduct; they don't need to be led.

It's only a people who somehow serve the state who need to be led on a daily basis.
 
Harshaw said:
The President heads the government, not the nation. The government is there to secure rights so that people may go about their daily lives unimpeded. The state should be pretty much invisible in normal times, so the head of state need not be heard from or seen much at all. People's lives are their own to conduct; they don't need to be led.

It's only a people who somehow serve the state who need to be led on a daily basis.
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Then the people who serve the state need a good leader, correct?

And, assuming you mean the Congress of the US, then that represents a pretty rebellious and divided group, don't you think, a group that is dysfunctional due to being so divided?
 
Dittohead not! said:
Translation: Romney is a Republican. Obama is not. Didn't Obama come from some rather difficult circumstances to a law school professor?
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Obama had difficult circumstances-rich grandparents that sent him to a rich private school in Hawaii?

Your attempt to pretend to be even handed with nonsensical comments like that might be comforting to your own pretensions towards being neutral but that is pretty pathetic.

Obama has never demonstrated any semblance of competence in a private sector environment while Romney has and he was a Lecturer at a law school

how did Obama pay for Columbia and Harvard Law?
 
Harshaw said:
Actually, Bush ended the war in Iraq (by winning it, by the way, which Obama opposed). Obama didn't do a thing toward it.

Still waiting for the "clear" evidence that Obama is Romney's intellectual superior.
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The best you will get is the sheep bleating that those who feed the sheep with the tax dollars of others are smarter than those who tell the sheep to cast of being in pens and make it on their own
 
Dittohead not! said:
Then the people who serve the state need a good leader, correct?

And, assuming you mean the Congress of the US, then that represents a pretty rebellious and divided group, don't you think, a group that is dysfunctional due to being so divided?
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No, I mean people in general, not Congress. We, the people of the United States, do not serve the state. On a daily basis, we do not need to be "led."

The President doesn't lead Congress, either; the branches of government are co-equal.

These are all pretty much the foundational ideas of the country. The state should not figure into our daily lives, and thus, the President should be a minor, mostly invisible figure in them.
 
Harshaw said:
Actually, Bush ended the war in Iraq (by winning it, by the way, which Obama opposed). Obama didn't do a thing toward it.

Still waiting for the "clear" evidence that Obama is Romney's intellectual superior.
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wow, you really think we won the war in iraq?
 
TurtleDude said:
Obama had difficult circumstances-rich grandparents that sent him to a rich private school in Hawaii?

Your attempt to pretend to be even handed with nonsensical comments like that might be comforting to your own pretensions towards being neutral but that is pretty pathetic.

Obama has never demonstrated any semblance of competence in a private sector environment while Romney has and he was a Lecturer at a law school

how did Obama pay for Columbia and Harvard Law?
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I'm sorry, but you are a moron.
 
Harshaw said:
No, I mean people in general, not Congress. We, the people of the United States, do not serve the state. On a daily basis, we do not need to be "led."

The President doesn't lead Congress, either; the branches of government are co-equal.

These are all pretty much the foundational ideas of the country. The state should not figure into our daily lives, and thus, the President should be a minor, mostly invisible figure in them.
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and yet, we ascribe to the presidency powers that it does not have. Is the economy strong? Credit the president. Is it weak? Blame the president. It's the president's fault that gas is so high, his doing that there haven't been any further terrorist attacks.

What does it matter who occupies this largely invisible office?
 
Dion said:
A short list on Obama


Diverted a downward spiraling economic depression by the previous admin
He has save billions in tax revenues in healthcare (medicare reform/EMR/more americans qualifying to buy ins)
He's killed Osama Bin Laden
Eliminated several other Al-Qaeda leaders
Ended the War in Iraq
Begun the drawdown of forces from Afghanistan
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Lets see...
-Has done NOTHING to end a downward spiraling economy except prolong things and has created 7 trillion in debt (that your grandkids are going to have to pay-WTG Mr President...thanks for 'saving us') in doing what he HAS done (Ownership...if you say hew has saved the world, you have to accept the blame for everything else). Actual unemployment is near 20%.
-We have realized NO 'savings (how can we...the thing wont even kick in for two years) and Sebilious has admitted insurance costs have already skyrocketed and the projected costs currently do not align with initial forecasted 'gains'.
-Yes...he did...credit where credit is due. His one real strength is continuing the Bush anti-terror initiatives. Of course...when it was Bush doing it Liberals hated him for it.
-Yes...he followed through with the established Bush agreements to withdraw the military from Iraq in 2011.
-Well...not so much. He initially followed the Bush model of a surge in Afghanistan and it was initially effective. the problem is...that was 3 years ago and no one knows what we are doing next. He cant just bail on Afghanistan because we have a black ops prison (ALA GITMO) at Bahgram AirBase...and guess who has spent the last three years loading it up with prisoners?

Continuing the bush policies on anti-terror have been effective. He has INCREASED the Patriot Act conditions. His justice department has expanded operations against Americans. Again...under Bush...liberals JOINED many Conservatives expressing concerns over much of the Patriot Act. Today? They ignore it or hail it as a victory. The Obama economic policy is spend money you dont have and heap debt on future generations at a greater rate than has ever seen in US history. How can that POSSIBLY go wrong?
 
Harshaw said:
No, an open primary is having all of the candidates on the ballot, and you choose which party to vote for in the voting booth.

In Ohio, you declare your party affiliation, and then you get the ballot for that party.
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No, it isn't. A closed primary requires you to state a party preference and your receive the ballot of only that party. In an open primary, you get the ballots of all parties but you are allowed to only vote one. In a top two primary, of which there are only a couple of states, you can vote for whomever you want regardless of party.
 
VanceMack said:
Lets see...
-Has done NOTHING to end a downward spiraling economy except prolong things and has created 7 trillion in debt (that your grandkids are going to have to pay-WTG Mr President...thanks for 'saving us') in doing what he HAS done (Ownership...if you say hew has saved the world, you have to accept the blame for everything else). Actual unemployment is near 20%.
-We have realized NO 'savings (how can we...the thing wont even kick in for two years) and Sebilious has admitted insurance costs have already skyrocketed and the projected costs currently do not align with initial forecasted 'gains'.
-Yes...he did...credit where credit is due. His one real strength is continuing the Bush anti-terror initiatives. Of course...when it was Bush doing it Liberals hated him for it.
-Yes...he followed through with the established Bush agreements to withdraw the military from Iraq in 2011.
-Well...not so much. He initially followed the Bush model of a surge in Afghanistan and it was initially effective. the problem is...that was 3 years ago and no one knows what we are doing next. He cant just bail on Afghanistan because we have a black ops prison (ALA GITMO) at Bahgram AirBase...and guess who has spent the last three years loading it up with prisoners?

Continuing the bush policies on anti-terror have been effective. He has INCREASED the Patriot Act conditions. His justice department has expanded operations against Americans. Again...under Bush...liberals JOINED many Conservatives expressing concerns over much of the Patriot Act. Today? They ignore it or hail it as a victory. The Obama economic policy is spend money you dont have and heap debt on future generations at a greater rate than has ever seen in US history. How can that POSSIBLY go wrong?
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Even if everthing you said was true, he's still going to kick whichever Republican's ass is unfortunate enough to win the nomination. I'm just praying it's Santorum, so we won't hear the constant bleating of 'We'd a won if only we'd run a real Conservative!"
 
Wiggen said:
Even if everthing you said was true, he's still going to kick whichever Republican's ass is unfortunate enough to win the nomination. I'm just praying it's Santorum, so we won't hear the constant bleating of 'We'd a won if only we'd run a real Conservative!"
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I almost feel sorry for republicans. I can't imagine how sucky it must be to think Mittens is the best you've got. Well that and the knot in their stomachs at the idea of 4 more years of Obama the "Foreign born Muslim" Those of us on the left certainly remember that feeling when Dubya got reelected.

At least they won't be left with the feeling of having had an election stolen by the courts. This one will not be close.
 
Wiggen said:
Even if everthing you said was true, he's still going to kick whichever Republican's ass is unfortunate enough to win the nomination. I'm just praying it's Santorum, so we won't hear the constant bleating of 'We'd a won if only we'd run a real Conservative!"
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I've never said anything different. I have no doubt Obama wins reelection.
 
Wiggen said:
No, it isn't. A closed primary requires you to state a party preference and your receive the ballot of only that party.
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That's how it works in Ohio, chief.
 
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