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    Does Romney stand a snowballs chance in you know where to win the election?

    I personally will say no.

    Not just because it is difficult to win against a sitting president that is not very unpopular. And not just because the economic situation has started on it's way upward. No, it is much more basic than that.

    1. Let's begin with the simple mathmetics of the race, last presidential campaign bank on McCain to bring his home state to the GOP. Romney does not stand any chance of personally bringing any states to which he is connected. He will not win his birth state of Michigan. He was barely able to fend off Santorum there and in a state that has gone Democratic in the last 5 elections, one must conclude that this state will almost certainly go to Obama.
    The same can be said for the state he was governor of, Massachusetts, in the past 4 elections no democratic presidential candidate scored under 60% of the vote (average was 61.5%) compared to the highest for a GOP candidate of 37%. On average, the democratic presidential candidate wins there with a 28% lead (in the past 4 elections that is). So in Massachusetts Romney is also not going to carry that state.

    2. Next is his public image, he is a rich, white, a guy and a mormon. And when I say rich, I mean proper filthy rich. He is proper fithly rich In a country where most people are not. In a lot of polls about Obama people are asked ""He understands the problems of ordinary Americans", think about when that question is asked about Romney, the man of slip ups like:

    - My wife drives a couple of cadillacs
    - “I have some great friends who are NASCAR team owners.”
    - I too, had feared the “pink slip” during my life.
    - “I’ll tell you what. Ten thousand bucks. A $10,000 bet.”
    - “I’m also unemployed.”
    - “Corporations are people, my friend.”
    - “I like being able to fire people who provide services to me.”
    - says he 370,000$ fee was "not very much"

    He is the perfect sitting duck for shows like the Today show and even a little bit the Colbert Report.

    He also seems to put his foot in his mouth and still keep babbling on, like when he spoke in Michigan and he said:

    “I was born and raised here. I love this state. It seems right here. The trees are the right height,” he told the crowd. “I like seeing the lakes. I love the lakes. There’s something very special here. The Great Lakes, but also all the little inland lakes that dot the parts of Michigan. I love cars.”

    3. The man is stiff, he is does not look very inspirational to me and I think to many people might see it that way too.

    4. He is not republican/conservative enough on social issues

    5. he is a great target the Super Pacs from the democratic side, because the man flip flops on very fundamental issues:

    He was pro-choice before he became pro-life:

    Romney, Oct. 29, 2002: “I will preserve and protect a woman’s right to choose”

    Romney, Dec. 16, 2007: “The right next step in the, in the fight to preserve the sanctity of life is to see Roe v. Wade overturned.”

    he flopped on immigration (big issue for the Latino vote)

    he flopped on Reagan

    he flopped on embryonic stemcell research

    Romney has flip flopped on a lot of issues, which is not strange because he wanted the job in Massachusetts so his he set his moral compass to "not too conservative" with all the opinions that belong to that, now he wants the big job, president of the USA so he needs all the really republican very conservative voters on his side so he is flopping like mad to look as conservative as he could possibly look like.




    So we have had electability issues, in he does not bring in any big states to which he was formerly connected and steal them away from Obama. Then we had personality issues with his wealth, the connnection issues he has with normal people, the boring personality, the fact that he likes to put his foot into his mouth and still keep babbling nonsense, the fact that he flip flopps almost as bad as John Kerry did and the fact that he is in no way the best liked candidate for the strong conservate base of the party.

    Then there is still one big issue left, number 6 on the list of issues for Romney, that last one is his faith.

    6. Mormon. Mitt Romney is a Mormon, a faith that has been connected to cults that allow multiple wives, a faith where some have the nasty habit of performing baptisms on people they have no business in baptising. People like Obama's mother, Anne Frank, Simon Wiesenthal, Adolf Hitler and many jews who died in concentration camps. En then there are more issues, about the stuffs they ingest (or do not ingest like alcohol, coffee, tea, etc. etc.) and even about them having mormon underwear.

    It was hard enough for the first Catholic to be chosen into office and for the first African American to be chosen as a president. I just do not think the US is ready willing and able to welcome a mormon as the next president.



    Finallly,what is the upside to Romney? Well, he is a member of the GOP, he is really rich (advertising), has rich buddies (Superpacs), is white and for a lot of voters, he is not Obama.

    Please remember, this is my personal observation based on the campaign I have seen so far, my following of US politics for many years and my views as an outsider, I do not hate or dislike mr. Romney but tried (from my point of view) to see what chances are that Romney will/can defeat Obama, and I just don't think it is going to happen.

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    Re: Does Romney stand a snowballs chance in you know where to win the election?

    look at the approval ratings for Romney,

    favorable 33%
    unfavorable 46%
    unsure 21%

    and looking historically, his favorable approval rating has never gone above 39% but usually is about 35%. On the flip side, his unfavorable rating has been rising slowly but surely, at the top his unfavorable rating was 49% but lately has been about 45%

    When this is compared to Barack Obama, one can see:

    Favorable 51%
    Unfavorable 45%
    Unsure 3%

    Historically seen Obama has been around the 50% for the past 2 years in opinion polls. His unfavorable rating has been about the level of Romney.

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    Re: Does Romney stand a snowballs chance in you know where to win the election?

    His best asset is his opponent.
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    Re: Does Romney stand a snowballs chance in you know where to win the election?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    His best asset is his opponent.
    Obama? Obama has much more positives than Romney has when one looks at the polls.

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    Re: Does Romney stand a snowballs chance in you know where to win the election?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    His best asset is his opponent.
    Meaning what?
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    Re: Does Romney stand a snowballs chance in you know where to win the election?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Meaning what?
    I didn't understand it either because Obama has all the trump cards in his hands, Romney only has loads of money to back him, not much else.

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    Re: Does Romney stand a snowballs chance in you know where to win the election?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I didn't understand it either because Obama has all the trump cards in his hands, Romney only has loads of money to back him, not much else.
    WHich trump card would those be? Killing jobs? Out of control spending? Obamacare, the most hated piece of legislation in history? More rounds of golf than any other prez? Cutting veterans bennies?

    Get real, Obama isn't going to run on his record. I think we all know that.

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    Re: Does Romney stand a snowballs chance in you know where to win the election?

    Romey cannot beat Obama. Its going to be VERY close though, I dont care what anyone says. Democrats that I talk to think its a done deal....wrong. Dont kid yourself, once the general election starts to come into shape it will be a neck to neck battle. I see Obama winning by 30-40 electoral votes. Hell, it could even end up being a 269-269 electoral college tie with Omaha, Nebraska having the final tie breaker vote. Obama has been here in Omaha for a long time setting up a door-to-door campaign strategy. This is very smart and Im not even kidding. Omaha, NE could decide the election. It went for Obama in 08, could be a tough win this year around.

    That is a worse case scenario, I still think Obama will win Wisconsin, Michigan, Colorado, AZ, and Virginia. He may lose Ohio, North Carolina and Iowa....but I have my doubts with Iowa. Obama could lose alot of battleground states and still be Ok. It's just too hard for the GOP to win this. They can make it a ball game, but can't win this election. I would give them a 38% of winning. They should concentrate on the house and senate. This is where things get done anyways. People have way too much faith in the presidency, America is a 3-way team, people tend to forget this.

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    Re: Does Romney stand a snowballs chance in you know where to win the election?

    Obama does have a lot of advantages, he will not be examined as closely as the Republican will be, and economy related things that have been used against Republicans in the past will be downplayed. For example, much of the media went after Bush big time for gas prices and unemployment rates that were a lot lower than they are now, but Obama will mostly get a pass about everything.

    As for Romney, he was successful at running a business, a State, and the Olympics; he is smart and communicates better than our last Republican President, so he does have a lot of strengths. And I think he is the Republican candidate that appeals to the broadest range of people. So he does have a good chance, but right now it looks like any Republican has a good chance of winning:

    Election 2012: Generic Presidential Ballot - Rasmussen Reports™

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    Re: Does Romney stand a snowballs chance in you know where to win the election?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    WHich trump card would those be? Killing jobs? Out of control spending? Obamacare, the most hated piece of legislation in history? More rounds of golf than any other prez? Cutting veterans bennies?

    Get real, Obama isn't going to run on his record. I think we all know that.
    Killing jobs? I think the downturn in the economy on the back of years of failed oversight from the Republicans, a war and bad decisions by big corporations took care of that.

    Out of control spending? Maybe, but guess what, that overspending would be way less crippling if the republicans did not have to protect their rich cronies from having to pay more taxes. People like Romney who makes 347,000 dollar in a year, has 200 million on the bank and still only pays 14% tax. If the republicans wouldn't make fairer taxation possible than this administration would not be in the overspeding cycle it now is.

    Obamacare might be the most hated republican piece of legislation but it is total BS to say it is the most hated piece of legislation in history.

    Fact (not the republican party propaganda)

    45% say Obamacare is a good thing
    44% say it is a bad thing
    11% are unsure

    in a poll just a little while ago they asked:

    "What would you like to see Congress do when it comes to the health care law? They should expand the law. They should keep the law as is. They should repeal the law and replace it with a Republican-sponsored alternative. OR, They should repeal the law and not replace it."

    35% said expand it
    19% said keep as it is
    18% said replace with a GOP law
    19% said repeal and not replace
    9% refused to answer or weren't sure

    Hardly a ringing endorsement for the republican position. And it seems that the level of hatred for this law is over-stated to say the least.


    Yes, how dare Obama play golf 32 times in three years time. Pathetic attempt apdst. We can't all spend at our ranch in Texas or at camp David.


    And FYI, the budget for veterans have gone up, not down. There are some things that may have less money going to veterans but your claim is not ringing true

    As Joe Violante, national legislative director for Disabled American Veterans, also said:

    "The president has increased vet funding over the years and has expanded many programs, women vets, caregivers and PTSD and TBI (traumatic brain injury), to name a few. He is also responsible for supporting advance appropriations for VA health care funding. While you are correct in saying there are proposals to TRICARE fees, these are not usually considered vet programs and come under DOD. Thus far, vet programs have done well under this administration," Violante said in an email. (source, politiifact).

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