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Fiscal Conservatives: Do you support Santorum?

Yeah, cause independent are going to love Romneys comments about how he is not concerned about the poor, that corporations are people and his dodgy tactics at bain. And what about his flip flopping and his election tactics. In some ways Santorum is better for independants, because it is much harder to use 1% attacks against him.

Yeah because Santorum's rape babies are a gift from God comment isn't going to cost him. :roll:


Romney does not appeal to independents. Poll show that clearly. Romneys problem is not moderation, but lack of trust.

romney appeals more to independents than Santorum would. Santorum's far right social conservative views will not be a friend to independents.
 
Can someone please tell me what an independant, or moderate position on fiscal policy is? Let me guess, it's raise taxes and cut spending? Does that about sum it up? Conservatives (Not to be confused with RINO's) generally support lowering taxes and cutting spending, Liberals, typically support raising taxes and increasing spending, so where do Moderates fit into that?


Tim-
 
Yeah because Santorum's rape babies are a gift from God comment isn't going to cost him. :roll:
Not that much if he doesn't focus on social issues during the election. However, Romney have to focus on the economy, on unemployment, on the 1%. That is the agenda of the election.

My belief is that Romney and Santorum have about equal chance if he beats Romney. If Santorum had the support from the establishment, and the organization of Romney, then he would have a better chance. But we really have to wait for the election in Michigan and see how it goes.

romney appeals more to independents than Santorum would. Santorum's far right social conservative views will not be a friend to independents.
That's not what you said. You said that Romney appeals to independents. Not that he appeals more than Santorum.
 
Can someone please tell me what an independant, or moderate position on fiscal policy is? Let me guess, it's raise taxes and cut spending? Does that about sum it up? Conservatives (Not to be confused with RINO's) generally support lowering taxes and cutting spending, Liberals, typically support raising taxes and increasing spending, so where do Moderates fit into that?


Tim-
Cutting taxes and then increasing spending to catastrophic levels. (Hint: Most recent presidents have been "moderates." :2razz:)
 
Yeah because Santorum's rape babies are a gift from God comment isn't going to cost him. :roll:




romney appeals more to independents than Santorum would. Santorum's far right social conservative views will not be a friend to independents.

Why don't we just find out and see what happens?
 
Romney has the best chance out of the 3 front-runners to beat Obama. This is due to his appeal to the independent voters and possible some that are on the left that are disenchanted with Obama.

However, if Santorum is picked, the only solid base he will have is the social conservatives. I know many fiscal conservatives that are turned off by his extreme social conservatism and I doubt he will sway the independents on to his side.

Santorum is showing strong for those on the social conservative right, but the right isn't the only ones Santorum has to convince to win the election.

^ That's the problem for Republicans if they pick Santorum.
 
Not that much if he doesn't focus on social issues during the election.

Santorum won't have a choice. If nominated, his comments on that will be brought up constantly in ads by SuperPacs. It won't simply go away.

That's not what you said. You said that Romney appeals to independents. Not that he appeals more than Santorum.

You are correct, sorry about that. I was trying to make the comparison between Romney and Santorum with Independents.
 
Why don't we just find out and see what happens?

Precedence is going against you. I would bet money on Obama winning against Santorum. You, however, would not as I've already tried to wager with you on it.
 
Can someone please tell me what an independant, or moderate position on fiscal policy is? Let me guess, it's raise taxes and cut spending? Does that about sum it up? Conservatives (Not to be confused with RINO's) generally support lowering taxes and cutting spending, Liberals, typically support raising taxes and increasing spending, so where do Moderates fit into that?


Tim-

It's funny how we conservatives, are the ones who have to go moderate, yet Liberals can go as far left as they want. It just goes to show that we are good, and the liberals are bad.
 
Precedence is going against you. I would bet money on Obama winning against Santorum. You, however, would not as I've already tried to wager with you on it.

Go ahead! Waste your money!
 
Santorum won't have a choice. If nominated, his comments on that will be brought up constantly in ads by SuperPacs. It won't simply go away.
It is not beneficial for Obama to focus on him being too social conservative. He can mention it, but he really needs to focus on the economy, jobs, unemployment, etc. In this area Santorum is stronger than Romney.

Don't forget that among many independents, being a social conservative is not a problem. They may be a fiscally liberal, but a social conservative. Or they may just hate the GOP. They will be more supportive of Santorum if Obama starts campaigning on how Santorum doesn't like abortions for people who got raped.
 
It's funny how we conservatives, are the ones who have to go moderate, yet Liberals can go as far left as they want. It just goes to show that we are good, and the liberals are bad.

But that's NOT the problem because you "conservatives" have replaced "conservatism" with "evangelical Christianity as government enforce policy." You aren't "conservatives," your dogmatic theocrats, who shoved domestic and economic conservative potential candidates to being not being viable in the Republican Primary.

So I either will vote for a Pentecostal Pope surrogate to be President, or not. That is what being "conservative" now means in the Republican Party. Thus, you like the most BIG GOVERNMENT, SPENDING, PRO-UNION candidate, Santorum, by his record of all. Because you see him as God's agent against the heathens - like the heathen Baptists and Methodists.
 
Well how can I be 100% sure when we have a media the lies all the time about Republicans?

True, everyone is picking on Republican candidates and on you. Every day, that horrible lying FOX news and their lefty-commentators like Sean Hannity fills the airwaves with lies about Republicans. So why don't you just give up? There are still MANY conservative countries available to you like China, Iran, and Saudi Arabia you could move to.
 
But that's NOT the problem because you "conservatives" have replaced "conservatism" with "evangelical Christianity as government enforce policy." You aren't "conservatives," your dogmatic theocrats, who shoved domestic and economic conservative potential candidates to being not being viable in the Republican Primary.

So I either will vote for a Pentecostal Pope surrogate to be President, or not. That is what being "conservative" now means in the Republican Party. Thus, you like the most BIG GOVERNMENT, SPENDING, PRO-UNION candidate, Santorum, by his record of all. Because you see him as God's agent against the heathens - like the heathen Baptists and Methodists.

I'm going to reconsider supporting Ron Paul.

He's the most conservative when it comes to spending.

His only liberal position is the military, and Congress would never let him gut the military. The only way he could do it is with the line item veto, and the president does not have that power.
 
But that's NOT the problem because you "conservatives" have replaced "conservatism" with "evangelical Christianity as government enforce policy." You aren't "conservatives," your dogmatic theocrats, who shoved domestic and economic conservative potential candidates to being not being viable in the Republican Primary.

So I either will vote for a Pentecostal Pope surrogate to be President, or not. That is what being "conservative" now means in the Republican Party. Thus, you like the most BIG GOVERNMENT, SPENDING, PRO-UNION candidate, Santorum, by his record of all. Because you see him as God's agent against the heathens - like the heathen Baptists and Methodists.

Social issues are not the reason I support Rick Santorum.
 
True, everyone is picking on Republican candidates and on you. Every day, that horrible lying FOX news and their lefty-commentators like Sean Hannity fills the airwaves with lies about Republicans. So why don't you just give up? There are still MANY conservative countries available to you like China, Iran, and Saudi Arabia you could move to.

What are you talking about? :confused:
 
I'm going to reconsider supporting Ron Paul.

He's the most conservative when it comes to spending.

His only liberal position is the military, and Congress would never let him gut the military. The only way he could do it is with the line item veto, and the president does not have that power.

The curious thing is if Ron Paul was 1o years younger and didn't have his near total pacificist withdraw from the world stance on the military, I think he could run away with the nomination now.

He is the only true core economic conservative, he's really what economic conservatives WANT, and it was his foreign/military policy, some crazy old newletters and his age that stopped him.

It also seems apparent candidates such as Perry who actually had a conservative economic history (for the most part) should have bite the bullet for some awful early results and stayed in it. So should have Herman Cain. Both forgot how short-term memory voters have for most blunders and gafts, and only care about private infidelities for a short time too.

Though they deny it, I think increasing numbers of Republicans are quietly thinking "why do we just have these clinkers?! Why not someone like Christy, Ryan, Rubio etc to even consider?"

It is easy to forget that other than Paul, the 3 running are not in office because they LOST their next election after being in office only 1 term by BIG margins (Santorum & Romney) or thrown out of office by his own party (Gingrich). They are LOSERS by their own history.

I would think this would really drive Republicans nuts, given how many popular beat-the-odds Winners the Republican party really does have. The Republican primary has narrowed down to a contest between 3 losers - who remain only by having nor reservations on how much they will contradict everything they ever said and did to now say and promise ANYTHING to the religious rightwing. Basically, they were the 3 best liars.

The reason so many of the economic conservatives stayed out is the recognized the long odds of defeating Obama COMBINED with having to go so extremely ultra radical religious rightwing they'd have to put their entire political future into this one hard election, and so crippled by running to the radical religious right they then couldn't win anyway.

It's like when ultra liberals take control of the Democratic party, producing candidates like McGovern and Humphrey, and then their candidate is obliterated in November. Historically, Republican leadership tried to hold the religious rightwing so that it didn't do more than represent their own numbers (a minority of Republicans)> BUT for how the Republican primary is working on pluralities - plus starting with the Iowa Caucus that is over 50% evangelicals dominating the first 5 months of politics - the largest minority of Republicans wins the nomination.

Republicans need to really rewrite their primary process. Democrats address the problem of the radical left by increasing the number of "super delegates," or party officials. NOT enough to make a majority, but enough to offset a fringe minority that mobilizes to take over the party.

The reason Romney hedged for a long time to not go to the far right is he hoped to win in November, not just the primary. The most economic "conservative" of the 3 (excluding Paul) really is Gingrich, but he is such a wild card, such an egotist, and both his personal egotistical past follows him, he is the one that now polls lowest against Obama.

I think probably the strongest is Romney because he's rich, has a Harvard degree (meaning the insiders and entire media won't totally to destroy him) and he could a tiny bit back up from of the radical religious right extremes. The only hope of Republicans, (in my opinion), is a LOW KEY campaign that does not bring blue collar and minorities in mass back to the polls for Obama, hoping that people who do show up vote for or against Obama - with the Republican just being the candidate that isn't Obama. I don't think the Republicans can win, the only question was could they hope Obama loses and thus the Republican wins by default.

The radical religious rightwing stuff is pretty much killing that strategy.
 
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Define "fiscally conservative", hehe.

Fiscally conservative as in cut taxes in the face of massive deficits, or fiscally conservative as in de-industrialize the US?
 
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Well how can I be 100% sure when we have a media the lies all the time about Republicans?
Isn't that the tacit of choice that Syrian dictator "Bashar al-Assad" employs when he doesn't like what's being reported in the media?
 
I think Ron Paul is the only TRUE conservative. Many of today's new-conservatives view Ron Paul's stances on foreign policy, in regards to backing away from the idea that the US should be the world's policemen as well as criticizing the idea of forcing our desires upon sovereign nations, through heavy handed pre-emptive violence, to be liberal viewpoints. Hippy pacifists, if you will.

Ron Paul's stances on states rights and things like gay issues, believing that is not and should not be a matter or concern to federal obligation, also falls in line with true conservative values. However, the new-conservatives believe they have the right to dictate for the whole nation their personal viewpoints and have the federal government enforce their oppressions. "We are a free nation. Free to be oppressed by Christian law."

I used to be considered pretty conservative by my peers. These days, these new conservatives make me look like Abbey Hoffman. I long for the days of old school, live and let live, work hard/get paid, kind hearted conservatism.

These days, I am embarassed to even be associated with them. But it's a small world and we all gotta live on it. I suppose it good enough to know that America is winning the battle on liberty despite the efforts of the new conservatives. Albeit a lot slower than it should be won.

Onward through the fog.
 
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