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If Romney Becomes the GOP Nominee - will Obama make a play to anti-Mormon bigotry?

Will they try to make use of anti-Mormon Bigotry against Romney?

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Re: If Romney Becomes the GOP Nominee - will Obama make a play to anti-Mormon bigotry

Redress said:
You are aware of the difference between some guy, and a party? If so, then why did you twist my words to say something I did not?
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Huh? Which "one guy" did you refer to?

And why are you twisting mine? I said "anyone in either party," not "the party."

If you're referring to my first sentence, why did you think it had anything to do with you specifically?
 
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haymarket said:
I suppose that all people fart. But some seem to fart far more than other farters.
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Like haymarket, for example. :roll:

You just keep on keepin' on.
 
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Harshaw said:
Like haymarket, for example. :roll:

You just keep on keepin' on.
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Well I did have chili with beans for lunch. ;)
 
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Zyphlin said:
Yep, that's the poll I saw. Which was my point. The person stated essentially that mormonism was more of an issue for the right than the left. The poll I've seen, which is the one you quoted, shows that its the left that has more of an issue than the right.
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According to the link, Gallup first started measuring the issue of voting for a Mormon in 1967. I'd be interested in seeing some relatively recent polls, before Romney decided to run. It's possible his candidancy has biased the poll results. I'm going to look to see if I can find an older poll.

I don't see Obama bringing up the issue, but I see the possiblity of Romney's religion being brought up in relation to his charitable contributions, since they all went to the Mormon Church.

I see problems with Romney appealing to conservatives and problems with the Christian Right over his religion. Romney being a Mormon doesn't motivate Evangelicals to go to the poll and vote for him and the Christian Right does have a good idea of what being a Mormon is.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/103150/Percentage-Unwilling-Vote-Mormon-Holds-Steady.aspx#1

In Feb, 2007, 30% of Republicans and 22% of Democrats said they wouldn't support a well qualified Mormon for President.
 
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Redress said:
This is like a classic sign of desperation. Can't successfully go after what he has done, so attack what he might do, some day, maybe, possibly, but not very likely. Brought to you by the guy who worried Obama might use negative attacks, but is all for republican negative attacks.
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Best part is...(if anyone decides to pay attention), the intellects in the GOP ragatta have been doing this since President Obama was elected. Unfortunately for them, most of the pieces they played before are no longer much fun to try playing. They have lost Foreign affairs and badassedness, Healthcare and social responsibility, Birther and Muslim angle, leaving the economy and personal attack.

I almost hope this recession keeps going through November, just so I don't have to watch my old team self destruct.
 
Re: If Romney Becomes the GOP Nominee - will Obama make a play to anti-Mormon bigotry

of course not, that is what PACs are for.
 
Re: If Romney Becomes the GOP Nominee - will Obama make a play to anti-Mormon bigotry

My hope would be that the religion of any candidate plays no role in the campaign. Perhaps we can use the issue of Romney as a member of the Mormon church to be a teachable moment?
 
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cpwill said:
yes. I saw this too. odd the lack of outcry from those usually trusted to produce the gnashing-of-teeth-and-flailing-of-limbs at any potential breach in the wall between church and state.



you consider Black Liberation Theology to be mainstream?
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Actually, it would be much closer as its core theology (doctrinal issues) are mainstream Christian beliefs. They would accept the Nicene Creed and do not offer additional Testaments of the Bible (like the Book of Mormon). Black Liberation theology just places a higher emphasis on social issues and changing social condition than much of the mainstream. But even mainstream churches, such as the United Methodist Church, believe strongly in activism to affect social change.
 
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Gary said:
According to the link, Gallup first started measuring the issue of voting for a Mormon in 1967. I'd be interested in seeing some relatively recent polls, before Romney decided to run. It's possible his candidancy has biased the poll results. I'm going to look to see if I can find an older poll.
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Indeed. When i first saw those numbers I even stated they were skewed both for liberals and in regards to conservatives and the religious. For liberals, they may associate someone that is a Mormon with someone whose very religious on average and as such has a natural aversion to people like that in general due to stances on things like abortion, religion in government, etc. On the flip side, the most commonly known mormon candidate is Mitt Romney, who has numerous stances in the past that are at odds with what some of the right, and especially the religious right, which could cause them to have a negative view.

That said, if someone wants to throw out such a baseless statement as suggesting that the right has more issue with Mormons than the Left, then I sure as hell am going to call them for something to verify that and point out that the only thing I've seen available suggest the opposite.

Its interesting that the 2007 poll is a fair bit different than the 2011 one.
 
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haymarket said:
My hope would be that the religion of any candidate plays no role in the campaign. Perhaps we can use the issue of Romney as a member of the Mormon church to be a teachable moment?
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Sorry, but there is no more important issue than the theological beliefs of a candidate. If (s)he is religious, their theology would trump their nationality. They are going to make decisions based upon their specific value set and belief systems. Its best that we understand where they are coming from. For example, there are some groups of Evangelicals that believe that interests of Israel are paramount to almost anyone's interests, including our own; and their are other groups that take almost that opposite view of Israel. New earth creationists are not terribly fond of science, and would tend to de-emphasize monies spend on research. This group is also less likely to be concerned about global warming.

Now certainly if a candidate is a nominal Christian, or whatever, as most are, their theology is less important to us as it does not define them.

I agree this should be a teachable moment. While I do not think many people understand Mormonism, it has so many idiosyncrasies that I suspect it will get severely beaten up by the one-minute messaging that is American media. At the end of all this, people will probably think they understand Mormonism, but actually understand it even less.
 
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Zyphlin said:
Indeed. When i first saw those numbers I even stated they were skewed both for liberals and in regards to conservatives and the religious. For liberals, they may associate someone that is a Mormon with someone whose very religious on average and as such has a natural aversion to people like that in general due to stances on things like abortion, religion in government, etc. On the flip side, the most commonly known mormon candidate is Mitt Romney, who has numerous stances in the past that are at odds with what some of the right, and especially the religious right, which could cause them to have a negative view.

That said, if someone wants to throw out such a baseless statement as suggesting that the right has more issue with Mormons than the Left, then I sure as hell am going to call them for something to verify that and point out that the only thing I've seen available suggest the opposite.

Its interesting that the 2007 poll is a fair bit different than the 2011 one.
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I've had some heated arguments with liberals, who bash Christianity and on forums that permit it and I'll insult them for calling themselves a liberal. I'll also point out how stupid it is to think they are supporting the progressive cause by bashing any religion. Democrats are a big tent and not all Democrats are liberals. In my area, many Democrats are Catholic and I don't know if they have something against Mormons, because I've only met one Mormon in my state and it was never an important issue. Many of the people in my state who go to Evangelical Churches would have an issue with someone being a Mormon.

I think the change in the poll is influenced by Romney's candidacy. I think some Republican who would have answered a poll saying they wouldn't vote for a Mormon would change their mind when faced with the reality of a choice. I think some Democrats who in the past said they would vote for a Mormon have changed their minds, because they connect the question with Romney. There's probably a high percentage of those who aren't religiously active and really don't have much of an idea of what a Mormon is.
 
Re: If Romney Becomes the GOP Nominee - will Obama make a play to anti-Mormon bigotry

If Romney is attacked, that's OK. His magic underwear will deflect the attacks. :mrgreen:
 
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danarhea said:
If Romney is attacked, that's OK. His magic underwear will deflect the attacks. :mrgreen:
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I knew a young lady once who had some magic underwear. It tended to invite attention rather than deflect it.


At least from me.
 
Re: If Romney Becomes the GOP Nominee - will Obama make a play to anti-Mormon bigotry

If the Politico piece is accurate, and it seems so, "weird" is to be the keyword in describing Mitt, with connotations applied generally to his religion, his history, his persona, whatever.

For the left, any religion (not sufficiently eastern) is weird, if not dangerous. Less hostile moderates might wince if they feel an entire religion is being so labeled, and that could be the backlash.
 
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LuckyDan said:
If the Politico piece is accurate, and it seems so, "weird" is to be the keyword in describing Mitt, with connotations applied generally to his religion, his history, his persona, whatever.

For the left, any religion (not sufficiently eastern) is weird, if not dangerous. Less hostile moderates might wince if they feel an entire religion is being so labeled, and that could be the backlash.
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Did you read the article?

The onslaught would have two aspects. The first is personal: Obama’s reelection campaign will portray the public Romney as inauthentic, unprincipled and, in a word used repeatedly by Obama’s advisers in about a dozen interviews, “weird.”

“First, they’ve got to like you, and there’s not a lot to like about Mitt Romney,” said Chicago Democratic consultant Pete Giangreco, who worked on Obama’s 2008 campaign. “There’s no way to hide this guy and hide his innate phoniness.”

A senior Obama adviser was even more cutting, suggesting that the Republican’s personal awkwardness will turn off voters.

“There’s a weirdness factor with Romney, and it remains to be seen how he wears with the public,” the adviser said, noting that the contrasts they’d drive between the president and the former Massachusetts governor would be “based on character to a great extent.”
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Source: Obama plan: Destroy Romney - Ben Smith and Jonathan Martin - POLITICO.com

The article doesn't say anything about Romney's "weird" being based on his religion, but you said it. The article says: “There’s no way to hide this guy and hide his innate phoniness.” Does anyone believe Romney is being phony about being a Mormon?
 
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tecoyah said:
Mark my words...Obama will not go there.
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I agree. He doesn't need to go there.

Those who won't vote for Romney based on him being a Mormon have already made up their mind.
 
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Gary said:
Did you read the article?
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What article?

Gary said:
Source: Obama plan: Destroy Romney - Ben Smith and Jonathan Martin - POLITICO.com

The article doesn't say anything about Romney's "weird" being based on his religion, but you said it. The article says: “There’s no way to hide this guy and hide his innate phoniness.” Does anyone believe Romney is being phony about being a Mormon?
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Where did I lose you? Your own post has the quote.

The onslaught would have two aspects. The first is personal: Obama’s reelection campaign will portray the public Romney as inauthentic, unprincipled and, in a word used repeatedly by Obama’s advisers in about a dozen interviews, “weird.”
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My post suggested that the W word will be used generally, with the connotation to be applied however the public may choose to.
 
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LuckyDan said:
What article?



Where did I lose you? Your own post has the quote.



My post suggested that the W word will be used generally, with the connotation to be applied however the public may choose to.
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The W word isn't a talking point. It's an observation based on how Romney presents himself in debates. There was no connotation in the POLITICO article about Romney being weird because of his religion. Romney has an weird style in debates and public appearances and says things you wouldn't think someone running for President would say.

Remember the issue about Romney's taxes and how he said he would release them in April, when they were completed? What about his past taxes and his dad being the first to release 12 years of his taxes? Romney then releases his taxes, when it becomes an issue and shows he gave large amounts to charity, all going to the Mormon Church. Don't you find how Romney handled the tax issue weird? What about those comments about not being concerned for the poor? It's weird to express his views that way.
 
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Not sure that even the mention of religion will move the dems. After what Obama went through during his religious persecution from the right, many dems think that only dickhead's do that kind of ****.

Can't control the PAC's when they get to Swiftboating but any true supporter of the democrats best stay away from religious persecution altogether. It will only hurt their cause. These ain't FOXNews sheeple. It won't work.
 
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Gary said:
The W word isn't a talking point. It's an observation based on how Romney presents himself in debates. There was no connotation in the POLITICO article about Romney being weird because of his religion. Romney has an weird style in debates and public appearances and says things you wouldn't think someone running for President would say.
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That's your take. Fine. I don't share it. The quote says Obama advisors are using the word with regularity. I don't think they mean it as a synonym for gaffe-prone.
 
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Will he? lol

That's so fox newsish.


Is Obama a Muslim? Not saying he is, just positing the question. lol

Elusive statements and questions masking as journalism to put an idea into their reader's/viewer's heads that isn't even based in facts just to get their basic SuperPACish negative slam out there.
 
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poweRob said:
Will he? lol

That's so fox newsish.


Is Obama a Muslim? Not saying he is, just positing the question. lol

Elusive statements and questions masking as journalism to put an idea into their reader's/viewer's heads that isn't even based in facts.
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FOXNews'ish for sure. Is Obama a cross-dresser? Does Michelle use a strap on? Story at 10:00.
 
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Captain America said:
FOXNews'ish for sure. Is Obama a cross-dresser? Does Michelle use a strap on? Story at 10:00.
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After the negative question is thrown out there they follow it with the valid and solid source known as:

"Some say..."

"Some say that Obama has actually cross-dressed before... we report you decide."

lol
 
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