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The Republiclan Civil War, and it's outcome in 2012

This is not the first time Republicans have fought each other for control of the minds and agenda of the Republiclan Party. You saw it after Reagan left office, when Neocons and Paleocons fought for control. But this year, the war is playing out much like it did in 1964. albeit with a different outcome looming.

In 1964, Barry Goldwater was the juggernaut, an ideological purist, and William Scranton, a Northeast establishment Republican pulled out all the stops in an attempt to derail Goldwater's nomination. During this attempt, he attempted to recruit Mit Romney's father, George, to carry the banner for the "Stop Goldwater" Campaign. George Romney turned down this request. That year, after Goldwater was nominated, a few of the establishment Republiclans, and Scranton himself, worked somewhat with the Democrats towards Goldwater's defeat, and in 1968, got their man, a moderate named Richard Nixon, elected.

This year, the shoe is on the other foot, with an establishment Republican being the juggernaut, with the ideological purists of the party attempting to stop him, but this battle is not that much unlike that of 1964, with establishment Republicans waging war with the purists. In this context, I have a few observations to make.

1) Romney will be the nominee. There is no doubt in my mind.

2) With Romney as the nominee, Republicans have an outside shot to knock off Obama this year.

3) Romney's lead over Gingrich shows that the influence of the Tea Party is waning.

4) For the Democrats, Occupy Wall Street is having a big say in the agenda.

5) For the record, both the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street are excellent examples of grass roots movements, where people, fed up with how things work in Washington, are making their voices heard.

6) However, both the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street have been coopted by the fringes on the right and left, respectively, and hijacked by the political parties which support them. Thus, they become not grass roots, but movements controlled by party apparatus.

7) Why will this election be close? Because, as people have become fed up with the Tea Party's extremism, they will also become fed up with the extremisim of Occupy Wall Street, and vote accordingly.

8) Who wins this year? IMHO, this election is Obama's to lose, but Democrats should not count their chickens, which are not in the bank yet. Obama could still blow this one, and if he does, Republicans will have the right candidate in place to take over. He will be a canddate who actually has a chance of winning.

9) It is Independent and moderate hearts both parties are going to have to win over, in order to win the election.

10) I don't care what the polls say. This one is going to be very close.

Discussion?

Having fun trying to play both sides of the fence. Romney is winning because he has lots of money. It's certainly isn't his politics.
 
Obama will beat Romney like he's running alone. Romney doesn't have the balls to stand up to Obama.
 
I'm a Dem. If I was a little younger, I'd be out there with Occupy myself. The regular citizenry needs desperately, a group of lobbyists to do the work that needs to be done if economic parity can ever be achieved again.

Indeed, as Jon Stewart noted, "the poor have ****ty lobbyists!"
 
LOL suppoting our 2nd amendment rights and holding a sign is extreme? The tea party has never even had any arrests to my knowledge. Yet they are called extreme. Extreme would be if they were promoting communism, socialism, anti-semitism, vandalism, economic destruction,..........Hec, they don't even litter

Watering the tree of liberty is not about the Second Amendment. According to the saying, the tree is watered with blood. This makes the sign he is holding a perfect example of batpoop crazy extremism.
 
I'm a Dem. If I was a little younger, I'd be out there with Occupy myself. The regular citizenry needs desperately, a group of lobbyists to do the work that needs to be done if economic parity can ever be achieved again.

You'd just be a useful idiot for Piven and Soros. Watch this before it gets scrubbed too.

 
You'd just be a useful idiot for Piven and Soros.

....you mean wanting to raise their taxes?

Yeah, makes a lot of sense. The logic of the far-right defies, well, logic.
 
LOL suppoting our 2nd amendment rights and holding a sign is extreme? The tea party has never even had any arrests to my knowledge. Yet they are called extreme. Extreme would be if they were promoting communism, socialism, anti-semitism, vandalism, economic destruction,..........Hec, they don't even litter

Actually, I would say it is, yes. Few people feel the need to do either, but to do both? As it relates to distance from the mainstream, yes, it is extreme.
 
This is not the first time Republicans have fought each other for control of the minds and agenda of the Republiclan Party. You saw it after Reagan left office, when Neocons and Paleocons fought for control. But this year, the war is playing out much like it did in 1964. albeit with a different outcome looming.

In 1964, Barry Goldwater was the juggernaut, an ideological purist, and William Scranton, a Northeast establishment Republican pulled out all the stops in an attempt to derail Goldwater's nomination. During this attempt, he attempted to recruit Mit Romney's father, George, to carry the banner for the "Stop Goldwater" Campaign. George Romney turned down this request. That year, after Goldwater was nominated, a few of the establishment Republiclans, and Scranton himself, worked somewhat with the Democrats towards Goldwater's defeat, and in 1968, got their man, a moderate named Richard Nixon, elected.

This year, the shoe is on the other foot, with an establishment Republican being the juggernaut, with the ideological purists of the party attempting to stop him, but this battle is not that much unlike that of 1964, with establishment Republicans waging war with the purists. In this context, I have a few observations to make.

1) Romney will be the nominee. There is no doubt in my mind.

2) With Romney as the nominee, Republicans have an outside shot to knock off Obama this year.

3) Romney's lead over Gingrich shows that the influence of the Tea Party is waning.

4) For the Democrats, Occupy Wall Street is having a big say in the agenda.

5) For the record, both the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street are excellent examples of grass roots movements, where people, fed up with how things work in Washington, are making their voices heard.

6) However, both the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street have been coopted by the fringes on the right and left, respectively, and hijacked by the political parties which support them. Thus, they become not grass roots, but movements controlled by party apparatus.

7) Why will this election be close? Because, as people have become fed up with the Tea Party's extremism, they will also become fed up with the extremisim of Occupy Wall Street, and vote accordingly.

8) Who wins this year? IMHO, this election is Obama's to lose, but Democrats should not count their chickens, which are not in the bank yet. Obama could still blow this one, and if he does, Republicans will have the right candidate in place to take over. He will be a canddate who actually has a chance of winning.

9) It is Independent and moderate hearts both parties are going to have to win over, in order to win the election.

10) I don't care what the polls say. This one is going to be very close.

Discussion?

Nice post. Also, some nice comments from forum members (Hazl excluded). I agree with some of the comments...others, not so much. Here's my take:

1. I have doubts and I am willing to wait and see.

2. The Republicans have a chance to knock off Obama with whomever they nominate.

3. I think the real influence of the Tea Party in the Presidential election is yet to be seen. Others have discussed their focus, but once the Republicans decide on their nominee that person will HAVE to address the issues of the Tea Party to get their votes. And don't dismiss Palin's influence...she hasn't really gotten involved yet, but she will.

4. OWS is a non-issue. They were a flash-in-the-pan and any further actions from them will only alienate voters from all sides. Their problem is they have no credibility. Forget them.

5. Tea Party...yes. OWS...no. There is no real comparison between the two.

6. The Tea Party was instrumental in influencing elections and the people they supported have had to work withing the Congressional framework, but I would hardly call that being co-opted. OWS is being disregarded by Republicans, Democrats and anyone else who initially listened to them. They are not being co-opted...they are being ignored.

7. This election WILL be close, but not for the reasons you gave...but because of the economy.

8. Who wins? I won't hazard a prediction.

9. I agree.

10. I tend not to listen to polls. Unfortunately, many...from both sides...do - and vote accordingly. But, again, I agree with you. This will be a close one.
 
LOL suppoting our 2nd amendment rights and holding a sign is extreme? The tea party has never even had any arrests to my knowledge. Yet they are called extreme. Extreme would be if they were promoting communism, socialism, anti-semitism, vandalism, economic destruction,..........Hec, they don't even litter

It's a reference to Jefferson's more eccentric and romantic views of revolution, including Shay's Rebellion and the French Revolution. It was controversial for his time among his fellow founders, and it continues to be so today.
 
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LOL suppoting our 2nd amendment rights and holding a sign is extreme? The tea party has never even had any arrests to my knowledge. Yet they are called extreme. Extreme would be if they were promoting communism, socialism, anti-semitism, vandalism, economic destruction,..........Hec, they don't even litter
Well, if you want to hang your hat on civic responsibility, I hear that Nazi Germany made the trains run on time.... <shrug>
 
Mitt isn't my flavor of the day but there is no shame in changing your mind. Intelligent people change their minds when they find reason to do so. It seems to be a "thing" with the GOP, that if you become enlightened on a subject and do change your mind, that's it's some kind of tragedy. How strange.
Maybe that is why Democrats like him, because they really believe he changed his mind.

He hasn't changed his mind, he is just pandering to a different crowd. You do not suddenly go from being pro abortion to anti abortion overnight. You do not go from calling yourself a progressive to a Reagan conservative overnight. Romney is lying!

Republicans do not support him, because they do not think he is a conservative.

From what I have seen, he seems to be a social liberal like huntsman. Economically, I think he represent the mainstreet thought of Wall Street and Washington. They love corporations, rich people and military spending, but not fiscal sustainability.
 
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