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CNN Breaking News: Huntsman to Drop Out, Endorse Romney

the liberal in last place drops out and endorses the liberal in 1st place zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
 
00timh said:
the liberal in last place drops out and endorses the liberal in 1st place zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Has there ever been a more fun GOP primary???? ;)
 
00timh said:
the liberal in last place drops out and endorses the liberal in 1st place
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You got it. Hopefully 51 percent of the Republican voters participating in the primaries can figure this out soon.
 
Zyphlin said:
Please explain how he's a liberal
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highest budget in Utah history. serious increases in spending. Illegal alien driving priveledges. Signed the western climate initiative (which is garbage) supported increased min wage. A proposed 400% increase on cigerette taxes and an increase on DMV fees. (so much for his tax cuts). A strong McCain supporter and immediately supported Romney as soon as he dropped out. HC reform is a bit on the liberal side as well, establishing more requirements. He is the face of the modern day failure of the GOP. He is among the reasons why conservatives no longer have a strong voice in politics. Another RINO.
 
00timh said:
highest budget in Utah history. serious increases in spending. Illegal alien driving priveledges. Signed the western climate initiative (which is garbage) supported increased min wage. A proposed 400% increase on cigerette taxes and an increase on DMV fees. (so much for his tax cuts). A strong McCain supporter and immediately supported Romney as soon as he dropped out. HC reform is a bit on the liberal side as well, establishing more requirements. He is the face of the modern day failure of the GOP. He is among the reasons why conservatives no longer have a strong voice in politics. Another RINO.
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Giving aliens drivers license should be applauded by all. If they have licenses they are far more likely to be getting insurance. If you make it illegal for them to drive, they still will drive, still will get into wrecks and those involved will be getting the short end of the stick when they realize that there is a non-insured driver they are tangled with.
 
poweRob said:
Giving aliens drivers license should be applauded by all. If they have licenses they are far more likely to be getting insurance. If you make it illegal for them to drive, they still will drive, still will get into wrecks and those involved will be getting the short end of the stick when they realize that there is a non-insured driver they are tangled with.
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OR... we could deport illegal ailens so we don't have the vast problems with illegal ailens in the 1st place.
 
00timh said:
OR... we could deport illegal ailens so we don't have the vast problems with illegal ailens in the 1st place.
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There aren't "vast problems" with illegals. Just change the policy so that you make them legal aliens with work visas so they are paying appropriate tax into the system and the work base doesn't disappear which is a concern during the baby boomer retirement period. It's always en vogue to talk tough. It's more sensible to be logical though.
 
Embassador to China?
 
Catawba said:
Is that where Ron Paul comes in:

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I forgot the Paul & Star Trek vids. Enjoy






 
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00timh said:
highest budget in Utah history. Serious increases in spending.
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Yet at the same time reduced the amount of government spending as a percent of GDP. Which tells us that government was growing while the economy in Utah grew, which is normal in most healthy economies. Howver, it grew at a slower rate then it did prior to his position as Governor. I believe state gov spending as a percent of state GDP went down 2% while under Huntsman's watch.

Illegal alien driving priveledges.
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Can't argue this as I'm having issue's with determining when this came to be there. At best I'll give you this on a state level, though it completely ignores his belief on a federal level that we need to secure the border and enforce our laws first before any sort of action is taken dealing with those internal.

Signed the western climate initiative (which is garbage)
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Spot on here. You've got one clear cut one. And one he actually agree's with you on...stating the attempt was flawed and would not be useful on a national level.

supported increased min wage.
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At the state level which is entirely in line with Conservative principle that states should be free to determine what works best for the people of their state. Considering that Utah is overwhelmingly red, the legislature is overwhelming red, and the governor was red, I believe that a STATE minimum wage is a clear sign that the people of Utah think that's what's best for thier STATE. There's no indication what so ever he supports doing similar on a federal level to my understanding.

A proposed 400% increase on cigerette taxes and an increase on DMV fees.
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Not sure how you're trying to classify any intake of government money as being "not conservative". Last I checked, you said he was a liberal as opposed to conservative, not a liberal as opposed to anarchist.

As to the cigerette tax increase, link to him proposing this? First I've heard of it, though I thank you for bringing it to my attention.

(so much for his tax cuts)
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Yes, funny how you attempt to ignore his tax cuts while claiming he's a LIBERAL.

It is so LIBERAL to pass a flat tax. It is so LIBERAL to pass the largest income tax reduction in the states history. Those are decidingly LIBERAL things to do huh?

A strong McCain supporter and immediately supported Romney as soon as he dropped out.
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So supporting McCain or Romney makes one a liberal?

Who did you vote for in 08?

I guess Rush Limbaugh is a liberal...after all, he supported Romney over McCain in 08 and then supported McCain in the general in 08. Rush is such a liberal I'm guessing to you?

He did come out in favor of Romney at this point; stating that despite their strong differences in some areas he feels he has the best chance to beat Obama. All reasoning based off anything other than blind faith for the most part backs that notion up. You're grasping here that support for Romeny = he's a liberal.

HC reform is a bit on the liberal side as well, establishing more requirements.
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You're joking right? The Health Care reform that occured in Utah is almost picture perfect in line with what Republicans were saying we needed on a national level. It was market driven, consumer focused, that empowered utah citizens to have more choice rather than attempting to have the government lord over the system. THAT'S what you're hanging your hat on to suggest he's a "liberal".

He is the face of the modern day failure of the GOP. He is among the reasons why conservatives no longer have a strong voice in politics. Another RINO.
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You're ridiculous with regards to this issue. Your definitions of him being a "liberal" is based on a handful of state level issues while ignoring the plethora of conservative credentials. An outstanding and actually successful record regarding conservative action towards businesses regarding deregulation. Rated the best governor on fiscal conservative tax issues during his time as governor. Given an A grade by the NRA on second amendment issues. Good record on pro-life issues. Supported and passed market focused health care reform. You point out a few LEGITIMATE arguments of more liberal views...yet even then, one is actually a moderate view when taken his national view into account (immigration) and one is something he's later recanted to being against.

This somehow defines a "liberal" to you? I do pity you in this primary then.

Rick Santorum supported expanding medicare. He supported expanding federal control over education and growing the department of educaiton. He supported growing government by creating the Department of Homeland Security and the Transportation Security Administration, adding thousands to the government pay roll in screeners alone. He repeatedly supported the highest budgets in United States history and supported spending that added over 4 trillion to our debt. He's repeatedly voted to raise the debt limit.

Newt Gingrich...where to begin. Has a more liberal stance on immigration than Huntsman, supporting finding permanent residency for some illegals at a national level first and seperate from securing the border. Has his own issues regarding the environment (shall I point to the couch). Rick Perry? Again, arguably more liberal on immigration than Huntsman (Texas was the first to sign the DREAM act). Perry increased his states Budget every time one was passed, and also passed the largest in his states history I believe. If Huntsman's growth was "liberal", Perry is even worse. Huntsman grew his budget by 6.5% a year compared to Perry growing his 6.9%. Not to mention if we want to claim Romney's "flip flopping" and statements of him not being a Republican as signs he's Liberal", then Perry actually being a Democrat and voting for the largest tax increase in Texas history would need to be taken into account.

You seem to suggest that if someone has even a few mildly non-conservative views, REGARDLESS of their other positions, that they must be a liberal. In such a case, enjoy the primray...because based on your definition, the liberal just dropped out and endorsed the liberal in first place whose holding off the liberals in second, third, and fourth place.
 
See what I mean? :)
 
I am so glad conservatives spend all their time playing "who's the heretic". It makes me as a liberal alot more comfortable feeling about getting our agenda passed.
 
Redress said:
I am so glad conservatives spend all their time playing "who's the heretic". It makes me as a liberal alot more comfortable feeling about getting our agenda passed.
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Clearly something has to give in the Republican Party.
 
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