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Gingrich SuperPAC Anti-Romney Ad

AdamT said:
You miss the point, which is that it doesn't matter if there is specific direction by the candidate. The super PAC is in effect a parallel campaign being run by the candidate's people.
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Maybe you should follow along with the thread. The reason it came up was you folks accusing Gingrich for this ad.
 
Redress said:
Maybe you should follow along with the thread. The reason it came up was you folks accusing Gingrich for this ad.
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Maybe you should follow your own advice, and then exclude me from "you folks", as I never accused Gingrich of being responsible for the ad.
 
AdamT said:
Maybe you should follow your own advice, and then exclude me from "you folks", as I never accused Gingrich of being responsible for the ad.
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You only implied it.
 
AdamT said:
The super PAC structure implies it. I just recognized the implication. ;)
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Actually it doesn't. There are a ton of problems with superPACs, but any candidate with any sense at all will keep themselves clearly separate. They do not need to be involved in the superPAC and being involved only has the potential to get them caught. There is no upside. This does not mean that candidates won't violate the rules, but it is stupid to do so.
 
It always amazes me at what lengths politicians will go to try and win. Instead of a politician focusing on what they can do for America and running on that, they spend most of their time and effort trying to smear the other guy. It is what it is, I suppose, but I don't have to like it or support it.

And yes, I'm aware this was done by a SuperPAC, but nowadays that is just usually a cowardly politicians way of smearing someone without being tied to it.
 
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Bain fired a lot of people to make money for shareholders. i'm not sure why Republicans would have a problem with that. isn't that just capitalism? own it, and run on it. the money will just trickle back down, won't it?

lol
 
Redress said:
Actually it doesn't. There are a ton of problems with superPACs, but any candidate with any sense at all will keep themselves clearly separate. They do not need to be involved in the superPAC and being involved only has the potential to get them caught. There is no upside. This does not mean that candidates won't violate the rules, but it is stupid to do so.
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I agree, but one of the problems with super PACs is that the rules are extremely vague and hard to enforce. I mean, is it "coordination" if, for example, a top campaign strategist jumps from a campaign directly to a super PAC? That's what happened with Gingrich.

[A] pro-Gingrich super PAC, Winning Our Future, recently hired former Gingrich spokesman Rick Tyler as its chief strategist, and Tyler told the Washington Post that his group plans to air ads contrasting Gingrich’s record with those of his opponents.
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And this gem:

American Crossroads, the multimillion-dollar conservative super PAC linked to Karl Rove, had sought to run a variety of ads featuring members of Congress. The question before the FEC was whether super PAC ads featuring a member of Congress would violate the coordination ban, which blocks certain interactions between independent groups like American Crossroads and candidate committees.

The language of the coordination ban is defined in strictly legal terms, which differs from the common or dictionary understanding of certain words. Highlighting this difference was a sentence in the Crossroads request stating that, although the ads would be "fully coordinated" with candidates, they should not qualify as "coordinated communications."

This made-for-late-night-TV statement became a part of a running gag on "The Colbert Report," the Comedy Central show helmed by the comedian. And, ultimately, the statement and Colbert's lampooning of it defined the divide on the FEC that led to Thursday's deadlock.
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And what if, for example, the following conversation occurs? Coordination?

Newt: "Hey Rick, how's it hangin?

Rick Tyler: "Newt! Sup homey?!

Newt: "Just calling to say hey. Hey, how about all those negative ads that Romney group hit me with in Iowa? That's messed up, right?

Rick: "Word."

Newt: "I wish my campaign could afford to Blitz that mother****er with negative ads like that."

Rick: "Yeah?"

Newt: "Yeah."

Rick: "Okay, well, I getta get back to work."

Newt: "Laterz."
 
A pro-Gingrich SuperPAC is actually a liberal plant. That is the only possible explanation here.
 
AdamT said:
I agree, but one of the problems with super PACs is that the rules are extremely vague and hard to enforce. I mean, is it "coordination" if, for example, a top campaign strategist jumps from a campaign directly to a super PAC? That's what happened with Gingrich.



And this gem:



And what if, for example, the following conversation occurs? Coordination?

Newt: "Hey Rick, how's it hangin?

Rick Tyler: "Newt! Sup homey?!

Newt: "Just calling to say hey. Hey, how about all those negative ads that Romney group hit me with in Iowa? That's messed up, right?

Rick: "Word."

Newt: "I wish my campaign could afford to Blitz that mother****er with negative ads like that."

Rick: "Yeah?"

Newt: "Yeah."

Rick: "Okay, well, I getta get back to work."

Newt: "Laterz."
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I doubt Gingrich would curse. ;)
 
Amigo said:
I doubt Gingrich would curse. ;)
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He probably yelled out a few "oh ****s" when he was crawling all over someone while his wife was dying of cancer :prof
 
I love how Gingrich is basically claiming he was forced to go negative because of misleading Romney ads. The man could not be more transparent. What a petty, vindictive politician. I wouldn't want him in charge of the executive branch if my other choices were a sheep and a rock.
 
poweRob said:
Hypocrite again huh? lol

Ya see, this is a thread called "Gingrich SuperPAC Anti-Romney Ad". It's kinda about Gingrich. Sorry I didn't do an off-topic post about Romney in here to assuage your desires to see him slammed. All that being said, Gingrich is still a catty and mean, vengeful asshole.
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Here you are, you're not voting in this anyway.....you're voting Barack Obama. But you want to come in the middle of a Republican primary fight and act like you have a dog in here. Oh Newt is catty and mean, like you approve of Romney or something. They both have problems, that you're not even going to vote on. Newt is doing to Romney what Romney did to him. So they're even. That's not the problem with Newt at all. But that's another matter. Liberals talking about picking and choosing the Republicans is a joke for one thing. The only reason you could possibly like Romney is that he has the least contrast with Obama.
 
Redress said:


A couple questions about this ad.

1) Am I the only one who thinks this ad is strange coming from a republican?

2) Isn't this essentially showing Obama the route to go after Romney?

3) Republicans and moderates, do you see this ad as effective?
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1) I don't know. I remember that nasty ad Bush supporters ran against McCain about his adopted daughter (which I will not repeat).

2) I'm sure Obama's staff is all over how to combat Romney, but ads like this help him in that they show what is effective or not without Obama spending a dime.

3) n/a
 
American said:
Here you are, you're not voting in this anyway.....you're voting Barack Obama. But you want to come in the middle of a Republican primary fight and act like you have a dog in here. Oh Newt is catty and mean, like you approve of Romney or something. They both have problems, that you're not even going to vote on. Newt is doing to Romney what Romney did to him. So they're even. That's not the problem with Newt at all. But that's another matter. Liberals talking about picking and choosing the Republicans is a joke for one thing. The only reason you could possibly like Romney is that he has the least contrast with Obama.
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Only Republicans get to talk about Republican primaries!
 
American said:
Here you are, you're not voting in this anyway.....you're voting Barack Obama.
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Uh... No I'm not. Didn't vote for him in 2008 and won't be voting for him in 2012. Pretty much makes your input on me null & void.

American said:
But you want to come in the middle of a Republican primary fight and act like you have a dog in here. Oh Newt is catty and mean, like you approve of Romney or something.
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This is a political forum. A place where every and anybody submits their opinions on politics. If you don't like that, I have no idea why you are here.

American said:
They both have problems, that you're not even going to vote on. Newt is doing to Romney what Romney did to him. So they're even. That's not the problem with Newt at all. But that's another matter. Liberals talking about picking and choosing the Republicans is a joke for one thing. The only reason you could possibly like Romney is that he has the least contrast with Obama.
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I don't like Romney. Never said I did. So your whole schpiel about me and what I think are so far off base, perhaps you should get back on topic because the last time I looked, the topic wasn't about me.

BTW... if you ever want to know what I think about something or know something about what I've done, try asking before making assumptions that apparently have led you off the deep end and nowhere near correct. ;)
 
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Gingrich has come out publicly to say that he wishes his super PAC would either edit the video or stop airing it. He also requested that they should please not throw him in that thar briar patch.
 
Stephen Colbert signed his SuperPAC over to Jon Stewart so he could run for the GOP nomination for the President of the United States of South Carolina. :lol:
 
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