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Gingrich questions Ron Paul on racist newsletters

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(Reuters) - Republican presidential hopeful Newt Gingrich on Friday urged rival Ron Paul to explain his links to newsletters two decades ago that carried the Texas congressman's name and contained racist, anti-homosexual and anti-Israel rants.


"I think that Congressman Paul has to explain his own situation and how he could have had a decade of newsletters that had his name on it that he apparently wasn't aware of," Gingrich said.
"I think that somebody should say to him 'OK, how much money did you make from the newsletters?' These things are really nasty, and he didn't know about it? Wasn't aware of it? But he's sufficiently ready to be president? It strikes me it raises some fundamental questions about him."


Paul, leading the race for the January 3 Republican caucuses vote in Iowa, the first nominating contest in the nation, has come under pressure after revelations of possible links to far-right comments.


A direct-mail solicitation for Paul's political and investment newsletters in the 1990s warned of a "coming race war in our big cities" and of a "federal-homosexual cover-up" to play down the impact of AIDS.


The eight-page letter, which appears to carry Paul's signature at the end, also warns that the U.S. government's redesign of currency to include different colors - a move aimed at thwarting counterfeiters - actually was part of a plot to allow the government to track Americans using the "new money."


Paul's campaign has launched a wave of attack ads on Gingrich in Iowa, as the Republican race to select a nominee to challenge President Barack Obama in the 2012 election heats up.

Gingrich questions Ron Paul on racist newsletters | Reuters

Well, here we go Branch Paulinians...Ron Paul supporters are some of the most passionate (being kind here) of any candidate out there. So when Paul pulls off the mic, and walks away from an interview rather than adequately answering the interviewers questions about this situation, what say you....? Is Newt right? Does Paul have to account for his anti Semitic, racist views in these newsletters that bear his name, and enriched him?


j-mac
 
Hmm...say it ain't so @ Ron Paul, not cool if true...

On another note, it seems Newt Gingrich says one day he's endeavoring to keep the process clean and refrain from mudslinging, and, now after learning that RP is leading in Iowa, begins to hammer away. Whatever happened to Ronald Reagan's 11th Commandment?!
 
Well, here we go Branch Paulinians...Ron Paul supporters are some of the most passionate (being kind here) of any candidate out there. So when Paul pulls off the mic, and walks away from an interview rather than adequately answering the interviewers questions about this situation, what say you....? Is Newt right? Does Paul have to account for his anti Semitic, racist views in these newsletters that bear his name, and enriched him?


j-mac

I am one of those fervent Paul supporters (I despise the term Branch Paulinians) and I am disappointed in the newsletters. What I honestly believe is that he created them and let the writers edit the pieces. I trust him when he says he was practicing medicine at the time and involved in many other things. It is a huge mistake on his part that will come to hurt his credibility and his chances. However, I still support the man for president and I strongly defend Paul as a supporter of civil liberties, not an enemy to minorities. He's left of many democrats on issues that protect minorities. You can't find a single video clip of Paul making racist, anti-Semitic, or anti-homosexual statements. You would think a racist would do more than just publish racist things over the course of 22 years. Usually, a person of that kind of magnitude would verbalize their hateful sentiments at least once. Yet, no such audio or video of Paul exists.

Ultimately, his convictions are far more important than published pieces from 22 years ago. And for those who support minority rights, just remember that the smallest minority is the individual.
 
I am one of those fervent Paul supporters (I despise the term Branch Paulinians) and I am disappointed in the newsletters. What I honestly believe is that he created them and let the writers edit the pieces. I trust him when he says he was practicing medicine at the time and involved in many other things. It is a huge mistake on his part that will come to hurt his credibility and his chances. However, I still support the man for president and I strongly defend Paul as a supporter of civil liberties, not an enemy to minorities. He's left of many democrats on issues that protect minorities. You can't find a single video clip of Paul making racist, anti-Semitic, or anti-homosexual statements. You would think a racist would do more than just publish racist things over the course of 22 years. Usually, a person of that kind of magnitude would verbalize their hateful sentiments at least once. Yet, no such audio or video of Paul exists.

Ultimately, his convictions are far more important than published pieces from 22 years ago. And for those who support minority rights, just remember that the smallest minority is the individual.
Busted! Ron Paul racist rant caught on tape! OMG! OMG! - YouTube
 
To be fair I think the interview was with that awful Gloria Borger woman. She is basically a democratic staffer.

And there was nothing wrong with the interview as she conducted it. Why is it conservatives are so fast to blame others instead of taking responsibility for themselves?
 
Good point, Frolicking Dinosaurs. Why did they have to go open that can of worms--dang. Breaking Ronald Reagan's 11th Commandment is not a slippery slope the Republicans can afford, considering it'll take a united front to even compete with President Obama, way much more to actually beat him fair and square.
 
I am one of those fervent Paul supporters (I despise the term Branch Paulinians) and I am disappointed in the newsletters. What I honestly believe is that he created them and let the writers edit the pieces. I trust him when he says he was practicing medicine at the time and involved in many other things. It is a huge mistake on his part that will come to hurt his credibility and his chances. However, I still support the man for president and I strongly defend Paul as a supporter of civil liberties, not an enemy to minorities. He's left of many democrats on issues that protect minorities. You can't find a single video clip of Paul making racist, anti-Semitic, or anti-homosexual statements. You would think a racist would do more than just publish racist things over the course of 22 years. Usually, a person of that kind of magnitude would verbalize their hateful sentiments at least once. Yet, no such audio or video of Paul exists.

Ultimately, his convictions are far more important than published pieces from 22 years ago. And for those who support minority rights, just remember that the smallest minority is the individual.

I'd generally agree that his convictions are more important than what was said in newsletters 20/25 years ago.

However, what I worry about most with Ron Paul (other than his anti-progressive taxation stances and somewhat radical pro-life policy) is not that he's a racist, but rather that he would stand by and allow racism to occur just to stand by his idealistic but not-the-least-bit-pragmatic stance on individual liberties. My great grandfather died when a doctor performing an appendectomy dropped a scalpel in the middle of the operation. This happened because all of the decent and modern hospitals in the area refused Jewish patients. So he was stuck with a drunken surgeon who killed him instead of performing the operation.

Ron Paul would tell you that the real outrage is the idea that big brother would "force" the other hospitals to accept a Jewish patient.

I don't think Ron Paul is racist. I just think his policies allow for racism to occur, like it occurred to my ancestors and the ancestor's of many other posters here. And in this day and age, there is no excuse for holding to such archaic and impractical ideologies.

Just like in his newsletters -- Ron Paul didn't write anything racist, he just sat back and allowed his name to be emblazoned on virulently racist and homophobic sentiments. That's a wonderful analogy for what a Ron Paul presidency would look like.
 
Well, here we go Branch Paulinians...Ron Paul supporters are some of the most passionate (being kind here) of any candidate out there. So when Paul pulls off the mic, and walks away from an interview rather than adequately answering the interviewers questions about this situation, what say you....? Is Newt right? Does Paul have to account for his anti Semitic, racist views in these newsletters that bear his name, and enriched him?


j-mac

He said it was a legitimate issue to raise, said he did not write any of the material, said he had not read any of the material mentioned, said he disavowed its contents, and even then said he was morally responsible for what the newsletter put out regardless. On several occasions he has said this going back as far as 2001. He has said he had far too many obligations with his medical practice and speaking engagements across the country to be able to even read it, let alone micromanage its contents, and that because there were volunteer ghostwriters coming and going while it was operating that he did not know all the names of people writing for it.

Even Lew Rockwell, the real managing editor of the newsletter, left most of it up to his staff of interns. The fact there are so few offending passages in an eight-page newsletter suggests this is a complete non-issue. How many times do news organization put out something that is plainly false or insensitive and do not realize it until its get published and someone else brings it up? Lew Rockwell has a more professional responsibility for this, but I think Paul is charitable in saying he is morally responsible for the content.

And there was nothing wrong with the interview as she conducted it. Why is it conservatives are so fast to blame others instead of taking responsibility for themselves?

Yeah, it is perfectly standard for journalists to keep asking questions even after the designated time for the interview is up. It is less standard for them to portray it as dodging a question that the interviewee had already clearly answered multiple times.

Behold the power of truth, bitches!:

 
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Nowhere does it say the time was up that I see, and it looks like he walked off when he got tough questions. Nice try, that youtube video sure convinced me.
 

Are you kidding?! Now, I'm reasonable so I'll concede that Paul's articulating of certain issues is not without faults. For instance, some might be so politically correct as to judge him for using the word "black" instead of "African-American," but that is not the most useful material you can use to prove he's a racist. He said nothing of the sort in the video you just provided. There was no "racist rant."
 
Nowhere does it say the time was up that I see, and it looks like he walked off when he got tough questions. Nice try, that youtube video sure convinced me.

You have to be at least reasonable and consider that she wasn't the most professional or cordial interviewer. She's practically badgering him toward the end.
 
Are you kidding?! Now, I'm reasonable so I'll concede that Paul's articulating of certain issues is not without faults. For instance, some might be so politically correct as to judge him for using the word "black" instead of "African-American," but that is not the most useful material you can use to prove he's a racist. He said nothing of the sort in the video you just provided. There was no "racist rant."

That's kind of the point dude. It is a little thing we in the biz call sarcasm.
 
I'd generally agree that his convictions are more important than what was said in newsletters 20/25 years ago.

However, what I worry about most with Ron Paul (other than his anti-progressive taxation stances and somewhat radical pro-life policy) is not that he's a racist, but rather that he would stand by and allow racism to occur just to stand by his idealistic but not-the-least-bit-pragmatic stance on individual liberties. My great grandfather died when a doctor performing an appendectomy dropped a scalpel in the middle of the operation. This happened because all of the decent and modern hospitals in the area refused Jewish patients. So he was stuck with a drunken surgeon who killed him instead of performing the operation.

Ron Paul would tell you that the real outrage is the idea that big brother would "force" the other hospitals to accept a Jewish patient.

I don't think Ron Paul is racist. I just think his policies allow for racism to occur, like it occurred to my ancestors and the ancestor's of many other posters here. And in this day and age, there is no excuse for holding to such archaic and impractical ideologies.

Just like in his newsletters -- Ron Paul didn't write anything racist, he just sat back and allowed his name to be emblazoned on virulently racist and homophobic sentiments. That's a wonderful analogy for what a Ron Paul presidency would look like.

The major domestic issues of the day- massive federal debt, international trade debt, and private debt, call for a revolutionary change in the tax structure of this country as well as its regularity apparatuses and money policy. Our nation's drug policy and foreign policy are in need of massive transformation in basic design, something NO politician is willing to do (except Paul). Basic violations of individual rights and dare I say it- human rights, continue to be committed despite the election of one charismatic reformer. What is needed are radical changes by real reformers who change the system from within and who emphasize a constitutionally restricted republic beholding individual liberties.

I can't speak for your personal anecdote. But in the great scheme of things, bad things happen in every system. A social, political, and economic system based on freedom and a rule of law will protect everyone equally, regardless of sex, creed, race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, and might I add, income bracket. You have your personal story that will always drive your personal convictions. But we cannot let government be used and abused by interest groups. A subsidy to one industry leads to another. Government is not an enterprise. As for your great grandfather, I don't see why he had to accept the least common denominator among doctors. Before extensive regulation of the health care industry, Catholic charities were everywhere. There were also Jewish hospitals who specialized in serving the Jewish community. Ron Paul routinely talks about the role of Catholic hospitals in private sector charity:

"In the days before Medicare and Medicaid, the poor and elderly were admitted to hospitals at the same rate they are now, and received good care. Before those programs came into existence, every physician understood that he or she had a responsibility towards the less fortunate and free medical care was the norm. Hardly anyone is aware of this today, since it doesn’t fit into the typical, by the script story of government rescuing us from a predatory private sector."
Source: The Revolution: A Manifesto, by Ron Paul, p. 84 , Apr 1, 2008

When he opened up his own practice, he often lowered rates and refused Medicare and Medicaid, instead working pro bono for the less fortunate.

What is Ron Paul’s Stance on Health care? | The State Column

As for race, it is the one unfortunate fact of life that exists despite the single provision of the CRA that mandates private business trade. As a rule, we cannot diminish the principle of free trade by forcing trade on people. As I discussed earlier, it would be unfortunate if Jewish business owners were forced to trade with everyone in the public, including non-aggressive skinheads bearing swastikas. In some parts of the deep south, it is unfortunate fact of life that de-facto segregation exists despite laws on the books barring any such behavior. African-American families continue to bury their loved ones in cemeteries within their own communities. In bars on the other side of town, a person of color would be faced with intimidation or at least suspicion and uncomfortable scrutiny if they sat down for a drink. You can walk into one part of one small town and most of the customers seem to always be of one particular race. Usually, we're talking real rural America. I believe as a nation, we have moved past all of that. As a society, the moral transformations occur with or without government legislation. We need laws to protect the civil liberties of individuals by mandating that no such systems of Jim Crow exist at ANY governmental level. But in terms of imposing trade on others possibly against their will is a departure from liberty I cannot take.

Oh, and by the way, guess who's the only republican to condemns racial profiling? http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/162...te-to-condemn-racial-profiling-at-cnn-debate/
 
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Here is the obvious question that is sitting right in front of everyone like a white elephant in a small room. Presidential candidate Ron Paul is getting hurt by the re-emergence of these newsletters published under his name. They contain material, views and opinions that are seen my many as far right wing extremism. This is only going to open up the seamy underbelly of right libertarianism to people who may not be aware of much of it. It is going to take the kindly old grandfather who does not like stupid wars and cast him in a light which will be far far less than flattering.

His claim that he does not know or cannot remember who authored this material is clearly bogus and less than honest. The man has vivid memories of what was in those newsletters and he ran a small office with a defined hierarchy and set of responsibilities that makes it not at all difficult to remember and figure out just who did what on that newsletter. This is not rocket science.

So here is the obvious question: why does Ron Paul not simply come out and name that person and allow them to suffer the slings and arrows of modern criticism? If you can honestly answer that not at all hard question to answer it should reveal much to you about what is going on here.
 
Here is the obvious question that is sitting right in front of everyone like a white elephant in a small room. Presidential candidate Ron Paul is getting hurt by the re-emergence of these newsletters published under his name. They contain material, views and opinions that are seen my many as far right wing extremism. This is only going to open up the seamy underbelly of right libertarianism to people who may not be aware of much of it. It is going to take the kindly old grandfather who does not like stupid wars and cast him in a light which will be far far less than flattering.

Because surely there is no undercurrent of racism in the political mainstream. Mainstream Republicans certainly don't treat racial and ethnic profiling like a legitimate issue or regard attacks on supposed "black culture" as acceptable. Mainstream Democrats certainly don't think any race should be treated favorably or pander to voters on a racial or ethnic basis.

His claim that he does not know or cannot remember who authored this material is clearly bogus and less than honest. The man has vivid memories of what was in those newsletters and he ran a small office with a defined hierarchy and set of responsibilities that makes it not at all difficult to remember and figure out just who did what on that newsletter. This is not rocket science.

Nonsense. He should have vivid memories about the actual content after the issue has been brought up multiple times over 15 years in several elections. It does not prove he had any knowledge of who wrote them. Maybe Lew Rockwell knows specifically who wrote it, but there is no real guarantee on that given the fact these articles are generally not attributed to any author and the fact he relied on interns who came and went over some twenty years. Expecting any manager to know exactly what all of his employees were doing over several years is an absurd proposition. No one will ever satisfy that kind of test.
 
Gingrich... king of modern dog-whistle politics with regards to current candidates... calling someone else racist. Too funny.
 
Because surely there is no undercurrent of racism in the political mainstream. Mainstream Republicans certainly don't treat racial and ethnic profiling like a legitimate issue or regard attacks on supposed "black culture" as acceptable. Mainstream Democrats certainly don't think any race should be treated favorably or pander to voters on a racial or ethnic basis.



Nonsense. He should have vivid memories about the actual content after the issue has been brought up multiple times over 15 years in several elections. It does not prove he had any knowledge of who wrote them. Maybe Lew Rockwell knows specifically who wrote it, but there is no real guarantee on that given the fact these articles are generally not attributed to any author and the fact he relied on interns who came and went over some twenty years. Expecting any manager to know exactly what all of his employees were doing over several years is an absurd proposition. No one will ever satisfy that kind of test.

Demon ... given that you have already replied to me in another thread on much this same topic, and given that you have read the statements from Ron Paul staffers on how Rockwell would send each page of the newsletter to Ron Paul who would read it, sign it and fax it back, I must say that I find your comments here to be seriously disingenuous in the light of evidence you have already been exposed to.

I taught school back to 1972 and I can tell you with great clarity much of what happened even far back then- twice as far as the extremist Ron Paul newsletter fiasco.

This is not about interns who are supervised and under someone else's control. This is very much about Ron Paul and Lew Rockwell.

Four years ago Ron Paul was not taken seriously and very few even bothered with this issue because he was considered as simply a pimple on the ass of the body politic. Well today that pimple has festered and now is a full fledged boil. And he cannot be ignored any longer and neither will his record. And that includes his history with the dangerous extremist Lew Rockwell and his newsletters.
 
Demon ... given that you have already replied to me in another thread on much this same topic, and given that you have read the statements from Ron Paul staffers on how Rockwell would send each page of the newsletter to Ron Paul who would read it, sign it and fax it back, I must say that I find your comments here to be seriously disingenuous in the light of evidence you have already been exposed to.

I taught school back to 1972 and I can tell you with great clarity much of what happened even far back then- twice as far as the extremist Ron Paul newsletter fiasco.

This is not about interns who are supervised and under someone else's control. This is very much about Ron Paul and Lew Rockwell.

Four years ago Ron Paul was not taken seriously and very few even bothered with this issue because he was considered as simply a pimple on the ass of the body politic. Well today that pimple has festered and now is a full fledged boil. And he cannot be ignored any longer and neither will his record. And that includes his history with the dangerous extremist Lew Rockwell and his newsletters.

I read some random disgruntled employee (singular not plural) with disdain for his boss making statements he has failed to back up with anything substantive. There was also some baseless speculation about Lew Rockwell writing the specific material mentioned. I gave that all the weight a person should give it. You, on the other hand, run away with it as though some great secret has been exposed because you have target fixation.
 
Demon ... given that you have already replied to me in another thread on much this same topic, and given that you have read the statements from Ron Paul staffers on how Rockwell would send each page of the newsletter to Ron Paul who would read it, sign it and fax it back, I must say that I find your comments here to be seriously disingenuous in the light of evidence you have already been exposed to.

I taught school back to 1972 and I can tell you with great clarity much of what happened even far back then- twice as far as the extremist Ron Paul newsletter fiasco.

This is not about interns who are supervised and under someone else's control. This is very much about Ron Paul and Lew Rockwell.

Four years ago Ron Paul was not taken seriously and very few even bothered with this issue because he was considered as simply a pimple on the ass of the body politic. Well today that pimple has festered and now is a full fledged boil. And he cannot be ignored any longer and neither will his record. And that includes his history with the dangerous extremist Lew Rockwell and his newsletters.

Hmmm...what are the chances Lew Rockwell would edit them after Ron Paul signed them? If you look at his statements on race, way back in the day and now, and what the newsletters say, it just doesn't add up.
 
I read some random disgruntled employee (singular not plural) with disdain for his boss making statements he has failed to back up with anything substantive. There was also some baseless speculation about Lew Rockwell writing the specific material mentioned. I gave that all the weight a person should give it. You, on the other hand, run away with it as though some great secret has been exposed because you have target fixation.

If you want to make those allegations I would expect that they would be accompanied by proof of the said disgruntled employee and a reasonable explanation for his motivations. Absent that, this is mere speculation on your part and a rather weak attempt at defending both Paul and Rockwell. This only proves each and every time you attempt this what I have been saying all day is the libertarian dilemma on this issue.
 
Hmmm...what are the chances Lew Rockwell would edit them after Ron Paul signed them?

Well if he did, that should only have happened a single time and he should have been sent packing. However, that was not the case.
 
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