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Will Ron Paul kill the caucuses

Now THAT was funny. :lol:

Really, which part???

Oh, I get it.........you are just being a smartass rather than actually making a point.

Never mind.
 
Really, which part???

Oh, I get it.........you are just being a smartass rather than actually making a point.

Never mind.

The point being that "bright young Republican stars" are four words that should never appear in the same sentence. Let alone the suggestion that Rand Paul should be doing anything but practicing medicine.
 
In younger years Ron Paul's history is that he would know exactly how to capitalize on the situation personally, within party structure and politically in terms of issues. But I suspect in his age his ego forces him to a more simplistic and, thus, not only failed but counter productive result for himself and issues. The most opposite will happen in Washington from the Democratic side and the Republican establishment will declare his lose proved his issues are political suicide for a Republican.

Thus, you will get the defeat you maybe want to whine about to prove how evil politics, the parties and media is, declaring all voters stupid too. Self-fulfilling. You probably also would deny that Ron Paul has manuevered and compromised through the Republican party structure and establishment for 5 decades.

A candidate who allows his most militant supporters to define his/her campaign is ultimately a fool. Those always take an absolute do-or-die stance. The concept of alliances, to pursue an agenda collection across time as an evolution, and the obvious that obtaining something is better than obtaining less than zero are all repulsive to militants and extremists.

Whether it is politics, unionism, corporate structure or even religion, all rational leaders understand they need the militants' energy and force, but they must never allow militants to call the final decision shots or be in control. Militants WANT to be Kamikazee pilots and want their leaders to be too.

Since Ron Paul followers have no 2nd option, he has to do little to keep their support, something Obama understands about the left wing of Democrats.

Your battle cry is "everything or nothing... no surrender, no retreat." The result won't just be obtaining nothing if Ron Paul agrees with you, it will be less than nothing - a counter productive result in which you were your worst enemy - in terms of government and the "movement", but you do get to stay the oppressed angry fringe you maybe like to be.


Not sure how to respond to this drivel.

You seem to treat the Ron Paul contingent like the borg, which couldn’t be further from the truth. The most bizarre rant is the one about him allowing his militant supporters to define the campaign. I have no idea what you are talking about with that but your entire post is worded in such a manner that I don’t really have the energy to translate your bizarre views.
 
The point being that "bright young Republican stars" are four words that should never appear in the same sentence. Let alone the suggestion that Rand Paul should be doing anything but practicing medicine.

Really? You don't consider Marco Rubio, Chris Christy, Bobby Jindal, Nikki Haley, Paul Ryan, Condi Rice, etc., etc. to be future stars ???

I know none of them are as sharp as Dem Representative Hank Johnson from Georgia, but I guess we'll have to make do. For those unaware, Johnson is the guy that was worried that our military base on Guam would cause the island to tip over and sink. You Dems can really pick 'em.

You don't get to choose whether Rand Paul remains a Senator. I and my fellow citizens do, so your opinion is moot.
 
Rand Paul won't be ready in 2016 and there are too many bright Republican stars ahead of him right now. He is very popular here, will easily be reelected, and has a bright future. He is also young and can bide his time with a few more Senate terms.

Rand Paul is 48 now. If he follows his fathers lead, he will be at least 30 more years before he is ready to be president. Father is 76 and still not ready.
 
Not sure how to respond to this drivel.

You seem to treat the Ron Paul contingent like the borg, which couldn’t be further from the truth. The most bizarre rant is the one about him allowing his militant supporters to define the campaign. I have no idea what you are talking about with that but your entire post is worded in such a manner that I don’t really have the energy to translate your bizarre views.

The mob is the borg. But its complex. So don't worry about it.
 
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Really? You don't consider Marco Rubio, Chris Christy, Bobby Jindal, Nikki Haley, Paul Ryan, Condi Rice, etc., etc. to be future stars ???

Marco Rubio? No, I've seen nothing that makes me think he's anything but a political climber.

Bobby Jindal? I'd have said yes a couple years ago, but he flamed out so fantastically when he had his big opportunity that I'd have to give him a conditional no.

Christy? I don't know enough about him to say.

Nikki Haley? Hell no. :lol:

Paul Ryan? I'll say yes to that one. I was impressed that he backed away from his unpopular Medicare proposal and teamed up with Wyden on a more palatable proposal.

Condi? I've seen no indication that she's interested in electoral politics.
 
Marco Rubio? No, I've seen nothing that makes me think he's anything but a political climber.

Bobby Jindal? I'd have said yes a couple years ago, but he flamed out so fantastically when he had his big opportunity that I'd have to give him a conditional no.

Christy? I don't know enough about him to say.

Nikki Haley? Hell no. :lol:

Paul Ryan? I'll say yes to that one. I was impressed that he backed away from his unpopular Medicare proposal and teamed up with Wyden on a more palatable proposal.

Condi? I've seen no indication that she's interested in electoral politics.

The only one of those I'd say have a serious potential future is Rubio. He is very smooth cool cookie and handles personal scandle type challenges very well. He's in the right geographic location (to become 3rd most populous state in the USA) as a solid homebase with ties both West and South (Republican core states), yet also a key swing state in November.

But it's not his time yet. He's too new and too young. Watch for him to make his explorations for 2016 around 2014. He's almost a likely shoot-in for the VP run slot if he failed at a Presidential primary run.
 
I showed this to a paul supporter here. He thinks you're funny.

I'm not sure why you think you know something you don't. I really don't. But there are doubts here in Iowa that supporters will show up.

Sorry, but you have no ****ing clue what you are talking about. Here is what I know I know:

Statewide opinion polling for the Republican Party presidential primaries, 2008 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The numbers in the polls pretty much exactly predicted his performance in the caucus, if not understating it. Whatever illusory notion you are appealing to about "support not showing" is pure bull**** that you concocted from some nonsense source. Now, do as I suggested and stop pushing a clearly bogus notion.

What causes you to say this?

I have explained this so many times I feel like I am shouting at a wall. However, to go over it once more real quick: Nevada caucus results 2008 Fox News, Ron Paul Ames 2011 coverage compared to Cain Florida straw poll coverage, Pew Research study on media coverage, media coverage of "walk off" in Borger interview contrasted with full uncut video, Ed Schultz MSNBC 1995 C-SPAN Ron Paul interview cut off right before comments about it covering monetary policy and banking committee.

Just Google that stuff and look through the Youtube videos. You'll get the point.
 
The mob is the borg. But its complex. So don't worry about it.

Trying to get those followers to agree on anything is often times described as herding angry cats.

A piece of science fiction involving a shared collective being used to describe angry cats isn’t complicated, it’s simply inaccurate.
 
Just Google that stuff and look through the Youtube videos. You'll get the point.

It looks to me that Paul supporters greatly enjoyed the kid gloves treatment he received in 2008 and thought this was going to be another ride on nice slow merry go round. Last time the national media greatly dropped the ball and I suspect they made a decision that Paul was no more than a pimple on the ass of the body politic so they decided any investigative journalism into his past and record simply was not worth the time nor the effort as he would seen be rendered to the sidelines. They were proved right by the treatment he received at the 2008 GOP convention as a result of his primary showings.

So now Paul - much to his credit - is scoring better in polls and has some new national status. And the press can no longer give him the free pass.

It looks like that is what disturbs you.
 
The only one of those I'd say have a serious potential future is Rubio. He is very smooth cool cookie and handles personal scandle type challenges very well. He's in the right geographic location (to become 3rd most populous state in the USA) as a solid homebase with ties both West and South (Republican core states), yet also a key swing state in November.

But it's not his time yet. He's too new and too young. Watch for him to make his explorations for 2016 around 2014. He's almost a likely shoot-in for the VP run slot if he failed at a Presidential primary run.
Does that mean they will shoot him out of a cannon at the convention? :shock:

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Rand Paul will never be ready. The one thing I do admire him for, however, is that he publicly and without shame still opposes the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
Many of his Republican bretheren these days feel the same way, they just aren't honest enough to admit it.
 
Really? You don't consider Marco Rubio, Chris Christy, Bobby Jindal, Nikki Haley, Paul Ryan, Condi Rice, etc., etc. to be future stars ???

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No.

Bobby Jindal? Really? Was it his riveting response to The State of the Union address a couple of years ago that moved him into the firmament for you?
 
Really? You don't consider Marco Rubio, Chris Christy, Bobby Jindal, Nikki Haley, Paul Ryan, Condi Rice, etc., etc. to be future stars ???

I know none of them are as sharp as Dem Representative Hank Johnson from Georgia, but I guess we'll have to make do. For those unaware, Johnson is the guy that was worried that our military base on Guam would cause the island to tip over and sink. You Dems can really pick 'em.

You don't get to choose whether Rand Paul remains a Senator. I and my fellow citizens do, so your opinion is moot.

Rand Paul and Kentucky deserve each other.

I hope they're together for a long long time.
 
It looks to me that Paul supporters greatly enjoyed the kid gloves treatment he received in 2008 and thought this was going to be another ride on nice slow merry go round. Last time the national media greatly dropped the ball and I suspect they made a decision that Paul was no more than a pimple on the ass of the body politic so they decided any investigative journalism into his past and record simply was not worth the time nor the effort as he would seen be rendered to the sidelines. They were proved right by the treatment he received at the 2008 GOP convention as a result of his primary showings.

So now Paul - much to his credit - is scoring better in polls and has some new national status. And the press can no longer give him the free pass.

It looks like that is what disturbs you.

Here, how about I provide you with the necessary material?:





Ron Paul Media Blackout Confirmed - Politics - The Atlantic Wire

CNN coverage of Borger interview:



Uncut version:

 
Ed Schultz cut of 1995 interview:



Full interview go to 1:40 where he mentions newsletter:



You can come up with all sorts of rationalizations I am sure, but "good, honest, and fair media coverage" is not one of them.
 
Rand Paul and Kentucky deserve each other.

I hope they're together for a long long time.

There are politicians who can do well in one area and are matched because of that one area. Rand Paul and Kentucky seem one such match. I cannot imagine him getting elected to the US Senate in but a small handful of other states. However, in four year presidential cycles, he can fully enjoy continuation of his Senate seat and make periodic quixotic runs at the presidency just to keep the libertarian agenda in front of the nation. I expect that is what he will do starting in 2020 if he is still around.
 
Demon

your candidate should not get into the octagon is he does not like his face crushed against the hard steel cage. That is the way this stuff works. He needs to get used to it or buy a truckload of new panties.

For a minute try to take the name of RON PAUL off those newsletters and put in the name of any other candidate. Do you think anybody could get away with saying that the series of newsletters published in the fist person under their own name and verified as personally approved by a former staffer could be so dismissed by any other candidate?

Its really a stretch to pretend that anybody could get away with that without suffering serious, if not fatal, damage to their campaign. Paul is simply experiencing what any other candidate would experience. In fact, he basically got a pass on this four years ago so he should be thankful his ride was as long as it was.
 
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Marco Rubio? No, I've seen nothing that makes me think he's anything but a political climber.

Bobby Jindal? I'd have said yes a couple years ago, but he flamed out so fantastically when he had his big opportunity that I'd have to give him a conditional no.

Christy? I don't know enough about him to say.

Nikki Haley? Hell no. :lol:

Paul Ryan? I'll say yes to that one. I was impressed that he backed away from his unpopular Medicare proposal and teamed up with Wyden on a more palatable proposal.

Condi? I've seen no indication that she's interested in electoral politics.

Spoken like a true Dem bot. I expected no less from you.
 
Rand Paul and Kentucky deserve each other.

I hope they're together for a long long time.

You can count on that. And as Senator, he gets a say in your laws too.
 
Rand Paul will never be ready. The one thing I do admire him for, however, is that he publicly and without shame still opposes the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
Many of his Republican bretheren these days feel the same way, they just aren't honest enough to admit it.

He opposes the Civil Rights Act? Really? Funny, but I've seen the interview and quotes many times and he never said anything similar to that.

Another left wing lie, but perhaps you mistook his statement with those of the Gore family, who did oppose the Civil Rights Act.

I do fault Paul for a lack of judgement for even going on Mandow's show though.
 
He opposes the Civil Rights Act? Really? Funny, but I've seen the interview and quotes many times and he never said anything similar to that.

Another left wing lie,

Actually, its the truth.

Civil Rights Act

S
traight from the horses mouth himself.
 
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