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I was somewhat surprised to see how much support Ron Paul has. I would never fully trust his judgement ... especially on domestic issues. He did have several profound moments in the Fox GOP debate. I know it is early ... yet it is intriguing to watch how they line up and realign.

Pretty pathetic imho that republicans have missed out on a few outstanding candidates (Huntsman) and the circus acts seem to rise to the top.

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Dion said:
I was somewhat surprised to see how much support Ron Paul has. I would never fully trust his judgement ... especially on domestic issues. He did have several profound moments in the Fox GOP debate. I know it is early ... yet it is intriguing to watch how they line up and realign.

Pretty pathetic imho that republicans have missed out on a few outstanding candidates (Huntsman) and the circus acts seem to rise to the top.

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Yes, he is the 6th candidate to reach double digits. Outstanding!
 
Redress said:
Yes, he is the 6th candidate to reach double digits. Outstanding!
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His reply regarding Iran was outstanding! I will not vote for him ... yet he surpassed his colleagues on stage and President Obama with that evidence based and powerful reply!
 
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His reply regarding Iran was outstanding! I will not vote for him ... yet he surpassed his colleagues on stage and President Obama with that evidence based and powerful reply!
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If by outstanding you mean outstandingly stupid, I might agree. Foriegn policy is one of the areas that Paul is most dangerous to this country, along with domestic policy, economic policy, and social policy.
 
Huntsman on energy was a slam dunk and right on target ... non partisan and patriotic and not bowing to anyone. Transcript is quoted below.

HUNTSMAN: We have learned that subsidies don't work and that we can no longer afford them. I believe that we can move toward renewable energy, but we're going to have to have a bridge product. Everybody wants to draw from the sun and draw from the wind. And I'm here to tell you that eventually that will make sense, but today the economics don't work.

We need something like natural gas. I put forward an energy independence program, along with tax reform and regulatory reform.Just by drawing from natural gas, for example, you're looking at 500,000 to a million jobs over the next five years. It is ours. It's affordable. It has important national security implications. And we should begin the conversion process.
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HUNTSMAN: Everything is a balancing act but we need to fuel our future. We have a heroin addiction to foreign oil and the pipeline is methodone. We need to disrupt the oil monopoly. We have more natural gas than Saudi Arabia has oil. We need to convert natural gas to a fuel source. It is within our grasp. We just need to have president who loves gas. We have to go out with an aggressive plan towards energy independence and someone who will get it done.
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Santorum and Huntsman still have haven't had their turn.
 
Redress said:
If by outstanding you mean outstandingly stupid, I might agree. Foriegn policy is one of the areas that Paul is most dangerous to this country, along with domestic policy, economic policy, and social policy.
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Well put.;)
 
Dion said:
I was somewhat surprised to see how much support Ron Paul has. I would never fully trust his judgement ... especially on domestic issues. He did have several profound moments in the Fox GOP debate. I know it is early ... yet it is intriguing to watch how they line up and realign.

Pretty pathetic imho that republicans have missed out on a few outstanding candidates (Huntsman) and the circus acts seem to rise to the top.

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How can you tell Huntsman would be a good choice? he never says anything worthwhile...like he is afraid to put himself out there. paul is an over-the-top nut who would destroy America with a few pen strokes, like gutting the military and completely closing our borders angering those who enjoy "free trade".
 
Then you are not listening ...from the simple to the sublime he is intellectually superior to any of the other GOP candidates.
 
coolwalker said:
How can you tell Huntsman would be a good choice? he never says anything worthwhile...like he is afraid to put himself out there. paul is an over-the-top nut who would destroy America with a few pen strokes, like gutting the military and completely closing our borders angering those who enjoy "free trade".
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It is interesting that the most vehement opponents of Ron Paul tend to be Republicans, but he is the favorite Republican of Democrats.

Ron Paul really should be running in the Democratic primary. Then his raging against all Republican officials and platforms, essentially shutting down the military and his accusing our soldiers of killing 1,000,000 Iraqi would make sense on a partisan level.
 
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If by outstanding you mean outstandingly stupid, I might agree. Foriegn policy is one of the areas that Paul is most dangerous to this country, along with domestic policy, economic policy, and social policy.
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I do not agree with Paul's complete Isolationist foreign policy in general.

Yet, on that stage that evening of December 2011 he was exactly correct on Iran. Bachman and Santorum was reminiscent of the Bush admin presenting their super scary sketched fictionalized "intel" that Iraq had WMD and was going to "get us" and their dark mushroom cloud CT. Hundreds of billions of $ and more for years to come on those lies and to think we have candidates starting the Iran war drum roll ...!

RON PAUL: I am running with the American people because I have a much better policy. There are a lot of people at the UN who say that Iran will not have a weapon. It is no different than 2003. There are war propagandas going on and it’s another Iraq. We are going to overreact and bomb Iran. The head of Israeli security says it would make no sense to take Iran out because they might be having a weapon. There is no evidence that they have a bomb. If we lived through the cold war we need to sit back and think and not jump the gun. That’s how we got involved in the useless war in Iraq and lost so much.
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Paul was right on ... regarding this issue. I am not giving him any broadbrush approval and he does not have my vote. Yet, he spoke the evidence based considered reality on this topic.
 
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joko104 said:
It is interesting that the most vehement opponents of Ron Paul tend to be Republicans, but he is the favorite Republican of Democrats.

Ron Paul really should be running in the Democratic primary. Then his raging against all Republican officials and platforms, essentially shutting down the military and his accusing our soldiers of killing 1,000,000 Iraqi would make sense on a partisan level.
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He never accused our soldiers of killing that number .... he referenced casualty numbers that included deaths due to lack of infrastructure and civil wars.

However, I agree he should not be with the Republicans ... yet neither should he be with the Democrats.

He is clearly Libertarian. I am not voting for Paul ...yet I am not going to repeat pundit misrepresentation either.
 
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call me koo-koo, but I think Paul might actually end up becoming the GOP nominee.

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Not likely, and even less likely that he could beat Obama in the general election. Paul does appeal to the growing number of voters who are totally disgusted with government and ready for extreme solutions, but his ideas are not workable in the real world.
 
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As for huntsman, he seems likeable. He had a good speech in the debate but he should of told Bret Baier to shut up when Baier was in his face. As for Paul and Huntsman, Paul had nothing but nice words to say about him.
He's a nice person and a good diplomat. He know what diplomacy is all about and is a thoughtful person.
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As for huntsman, he seems likeable. He had a good speech in the debate but he should of told Bret Baier to shut up when Baier was in his face. As for Paul and Huntsman, Paul had nothing but nice words to say about him.
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He is a likable and diplomatic person, and one who makes sense when he talks, quite unlike some of the candidates. So, why isn't he the front runner?
 
Ron Paul is Neville Chamberlain to the 10th power. We know what his position would have been when the holocaust and total genocidal campaign into the millions of Jews, Gypsies, gays, and the handicapped was learned. He would have done absolutely nothing.

Good thing the French weren't his form of isolationists or we not only wouldn't have the Statute of Liberty, the USA would still be a British Colony.

On the other hand, going to an earlier point in time, native Americans and Mexico would love him. The entire USA would only the Northeast.

I imagine Paul truly hates JFK for his stance against missiles in Cuba and we know he hates Abraham Lincoln for preventing the formation of a massive slave-labor nation out of half the country.

If Paul is president, his suit should have a huge yellow strip down the back, an out-of-business sign on the White House, and - to reflect his views - the Presidential seal replaced with a massive SOLID GOLD (of course) crucifix out of some 13rd century cathedral. Of course, an image of him, not Jesus, as a replacement on that cross.
 
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Dion said:
Huntsman on energy was a slam dunk and right on target ... non partisan and patriotic and not bowing to anyone. Transcript is quoted below.
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HUNTSMAN: We have learned that subsidies don't work and that we can no longer afford them. I believe that we can move toward renewable energy, but we're going to have to have a bridge product. Everybody wants to draw from the sun and draw from the wind. And I'm here to tell you that eventually that will make sense, but today the economics don't work.

We need something like natural gas. I put forward an energy independence program, along with tax reform and regulatory reform.Just by drawing from natural gas, for example, you're looking at 500,000 to a million jobs over the next five years. It is ours. It's affordable. It has important national security implications. And we should begin the conversion process.
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He's more sensible than the other candidates, but that's about as far as it goes. Subsidies do, in fact work. There was an explosion of solar development when Carter subsidized solar. Then it died away when Reagan cut the subsidies. In recent years, with new subsidies, solar development has taken off again. Ironically the much talked about Soyndra failure was the result of a 90% drop in the cost of traditional solar cells, owing to large scale development of solar cells. In some areas solar electricity is already close to grid parity with utility rates, and it will only get cheaper going forward. It's the development of the technology that causes it to to make sense. If you don't invest in development the price will never come down and it will never make sense.
 
joko104 said:
It is interesting that the most vehement opponents of Ron Paul tend to be Republicans, but he is the favorite Republican of Democrats.

Ron Paul really should be running in the Democratic primary. Then his raging against all Republican officials and platforms, essentially shutting down the military and his accusing our soldiers of killing 1,000,000 Iraqi would make sense on a partisan level.
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If I were a Ditto-Head I's say "ditto".
 
joko104 said:
Ron Paul really should be running in the Democratic primary. Then his raging against all Republican officials and platforms, essentially shutting down the military and his accusing our soldiers of killing 1,000,000 Iraqi would make sense on a partisan level.
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Since he's against the Welfare state, for cutting taxes, for cutting spending including with social programs, is pro life, is anti gun regulations, is anti business regulation, is anti universal health care, is anti affirmative action and other race based legislation, is anti climate change regulation, is anti UN, is anti foreign aid, and anti using our forces for "humanitarian efforts" I dont think he'd fit in well over there...indeed I think he'd fit even worse
 
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