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Ron Paul's stand on Israel is popular...with Netanyahu!

The Prophet said:
Well he does. Republicans don't nation build,
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No, republicans never do *that*!!

Bush on Nation Building and Afghanistan | Shadow Government
Bush writes that "Afghanistan was the ultimate nation building mission. We had liberated the country from a primitive dictatorship, and we had a moral obligation to leave behind something better. We also had a strategic interest in helping the Afghan people build a free society," because "a democratic Afghanistan would be a hopeful alternative to the vision of the extremists."
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neo cons do.
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Because no republicans are neo-cons :roll:

Libertarians live in a fantasy where what the republicans actually believe and do doesn't count; it's what they say when they campaign that defines what a republican is
 
Benjamin Parish said:
No. I dont like how it is in China. It is some fascist sh!t over there. But their presence around the world is diplomacy and trade and ours is militarily with a bad economy. i mean, add that sh!t up, dude.



They just have more people. It is hardly relevant to our technology and capability.



Neither do I. I don't advocate fascism. There you go demagoguing again.
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If the government were to take 50% of your and everyone else's income then the economy would be great because it would solve the deficit? Is that your point as you continue to advocate Chinese economic policies replace American policies in the USA?

Ron Paul has simpleton absolute platitudes that are persuasive to some - as long as it stays on the simpleton level.

Nothing Ron Paul advocates accounts for the wealth of the USA or the wealth of the average citizen. It does, however, explain the military defeat and economic collapse of many countries in world history.
 
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joko104 said:
At least you admit that you want American soldiers to be downgraded in the equipment, pay, and benefits that the Chinese provides to their soldiers.
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When the fu(k did I advocate that? You got issues man. You need help.. or are you like 12 or something?

I advocate cutting money that we feed our contractors, before any of that which we give to our soldiers.. and in fact - I'd be cool with giving more of that money directly to our soldiers.

(USA -USA! I bleed red, white and blue. Lol. Not a contest that you want to have with me. ; ))
 
joko104 said:
If the government were to take 50% of your and everyone else's income then the economy would be great because it would solve the deficit? Is that your point as you continue to advocate Chinese economic policies replace American policies in the USA?
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Since I support Ron Paul, one would think that I advocate less taxes. Are you just going to be a dumbass this hole time?
 
joko104 said:
I understand that Ron Paul is for absolute total military, economic and political isolation.
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Wrong again! Isolation entails that you wish to keep yourself secluded; no trading, nothing. Ron Paul is a non-interventionist. He is not totally opposed to warfare, only unprovoked, pre-emptive strikes. If a US soldier fires a single shot, it should be in defense of this country, and not some rag-tag bannanna republic 6,000 miles away.


Rather, my point is simple. It is Israel that Ron Paul and his supporters focus upon - 100 times over - than Germany, S. Korea and Japan, nor is there any truthful denying that Paul and many of his supporters go on to fixate on claims of vast conspiracies by Jews and Israel in relation to the USA government, banks etc.
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Well Ron Paul and his supporters are forced to focus on Israel. How we deal with Israel is a deal breaker for many of the Republicans. Germany, S Korea, Japan, etc is not. Ron Paul could emit or totally ignore the Israel question, but at some point, rather sooner then later, he would get pressed about it; Israel is a litmus test for the nomination. And if you deny that, you hold credence in a "conspiracy theory", not Paul supporters.
 
sangha said:
No, republicans never do *that*!!

Bush on Nation Building and Afghanistan | Shadow Government




Because no republicans are neo-cons :roll:

Libertarians live in a fantasy where what the republicans actually believe and do doesn't count; it's what they say when they campaign that defines what a republican is
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That article was penned in 2010. Refer to the video Mr. Parish posted, and you could see Mr. Bush advocated a sensible foreign policy which Republicans supported in droves. What has changed?
 
The Prophet said:
That article was penned in 2010. Refer to the video Mr. Parish posted, and you could see Mr. Bush advocated a sensible foreign policy which Republicans supported in droves. What has changed?
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That fact that bush* said one thing at some point does not mean that he didn't say the opposite. More importantly, is what he did, and there's no doubt he had the govt spend billions nation building in Iraq and Afghanistan and he had the support of the republicans in congress.

In wingnut world, that means "the republicans didn't really support it" :cuckoo:
 
Benjamin Parish said:
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Great video! It seems as if George Bush was channeling the good doctor. In 2000, the Republicans were gushing all over this guy. Ron Paul basically says the same thing, so what has changed that the Republicans don't love Ron Paul? Could it be because the media tries to ignore Dr. Paul or castigate him, and in 2000, they were in love with Bush? The problem today is we allow the media to choose our President. The television has more power then any atomic or bunker busting bomb and any army; it has the ability to reach inside millions upon millions of homes, and force feed any information it deems fit to many people. In 2000, Bush was just telling people what they wanted to hear, the elites knew he was their go-to-guy. Not Ron Paul, that's why they don't shine a light on him; they would have us beleive that he isn't there or isn't electable.
 
sangha said:
That fact that bush* said one thing at some point does not mean that he didn't say the opposite. More importantly, is what he did, and there's no doubt he had the govt spend billions nation building in Iraq and Afghanistan and he had the support of the republicans in congress.

In wingnut world, that means "the republicans didn't really support it" :cuckoo:
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Yea, Bush totally bamboozled the American people. But when he spent billions nation building, Democcrats, as well as Republicans supported him. The Democrats have as much blood on their hands as the Republicans do.
 
The Prophet said:
Yea, Bush totally bamboozled the American people. But when he spent billions nation building, Democcrats, as well as Republicans supported him. The Democrats have as much blood on their hands as the Republicans do.
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I can't blame you for trying to change the subject, but we were discussing the claim that republicans didn't support nation-building.

But thanks for admitting that your claim that republicans don't support nation building was wrong :lamo

The Prophet said:
Republicans don't nation build
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On the video, does "saying one thing and doing another" mean Career politician Representative Ron Paul claiming dozens of times that the Federal Government has no jurisdiction over abortion as his strict constitutionalist stance, and then to the exact opposite being a sponsor of the federal partial birth abortion ban? Or is it his condemning earmarks in federal spending while putting more earmarks into legislation than over 90% of other members of Congress?

Yeah, that type of hypocrisy of career politicians like Ron Paul - if not outright lying - really is disgusting.
 
joko104 said:
Ron Paul claiming dozens of times that the Federal Government has no jurisdiction over abortion as his strict constitutionalist stance, and then to the exact opposite being a sponsor of the federal partial birth abortion ban?
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Do you not agree that there's a huge difference between abortion and partial-birth abortion?

joko104 said:
Or is it his condemning earmarks in federal spending while putting more earmarks into legislation than over 90% of other members of Congress?
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I assume you have a link to support that assertion, and you aren't just talking out your ass, right?
 
joko104 said:
On the video, does "saying one thing and doing another" mean Career politician Representative Ron Paul claiming dozens of times that the Federal Government has no jurisdiction over abortion as his strict constitutionalist stance, and then to the exact opposite being a sponsor of the federal partial birth abortion ban? Or is it his condemning earmarks in federal spending while putting more earmarks into legislation than over 90% of other members of Congress?

Yeah, that type of hypocrisy of career politicians like Ron Paul - if not outright lying - really is disgusting.
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Or authoring a bill calling for Congressional term limits ... and then serving another 20 consecutive terms.
 
Binary_Digit said:
Do you not agree that there's a huge difference between abortion and partial-birth abortion?
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Ron Paul disagrees


I assume you have a link to support that assertion, and you aren't just talking out your ass, right?
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Ron Paul’s earmark requests for FY2009 | Texas on the Potomac | a Chron.com blog

And here's video of him defending his earmarks (which he condemns)
Ron Paul defends earmarks, says anti-pork McCain is just grandstanding - latimes.com
 
sangha said:
I can't blame you for trying to change the subject, but we were discussing the claim that republicans didn't support nation-building.

But thanks for admitting that your claim that republicans don't support nation building was wrong :lamo
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I am admitting nothing. As Thunder so aptly stated, 9/11 did in fact, change everything. The Republicans that were fine with the nation building in Iraq and Afghanistan, would not have voted for it if it weren't for the events of 9/11. I think the election of 2000 proves that. But as Obama's Presidency has proven, Democrats are also "nation builders." The Democrats controlled the Presidency and Congress Obama's first few years, if the Democrats wanted, they could've voted to defund the wars. That could've ended them right there.\

No matter on which of the 2 party paradigm wins, the war party still calls the shots.
 
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The Prophet said:
I am admitting nothing. As Thunder so aptly stated, 9/11 did in fact, change everything. The Republicans that were fine with the nation building in Iraq and Afghanistan, would not have voted for it if it weren't for the events of 9/11. I think the election of 2000 proves that. But as Obama's Presidency has proven, Democrats are also "nation builders." The Democrats controlled the Presidency and Congress Obama's first few years, if the Democrats wanted, they could've voted to defund the wars. That could've ended them right there.\

No matter on which of the 2 party paradigm wins, the war party still calls the shots.
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Translation - Republicans don't nation build, but they do :lamo
 
The Prophet said:
Well I posted that video to show how Benny is 2 faced. He knows he can get away with practically anything. Before the American people, he says "no US meddling", but behind the scenes he gets his lobby to strongarm Obama into complacency.
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PM Netanyahu is almost certainly refering to what he believes is interference in Israeli domestic matters in references to "meddling" e.g., the U.S. having attempted to link an end to construction in Jerusalem to peace talks, a precondition it had not supported in the past. Criticizing such linkage is specific, not a broad-based embrace of Paul's ideology. Netanyahu is not advocating that the U.S. embark on a neo-isolationist/non-interventionist foreign policy under which it would abandon its major overseas interests and longstanding allies.
 
sangha said:
Translation - Republicans don't nation build, but they do :lamo
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I feel like I'm speaking another language or trying to explain arithmetic to a Kit Kat bar. What don't you get? 9/11 did change everything, before Republicans were against nation building, as George Bush's election proves, but after, they followed the neo con propaganda machine, like so many Americans did. But it's unfair trying to place all the blame on Republicans for nation-building. Has the President that's been in office 3 years been a Democrat or a Republican? Has he continued nation building? If George Bush was a Democrat, or Al Gore got elected, we'd probably be in the same predicament.

I don't think Republicans in general, are nation builders particularly, but the Military Industrial Complex who controls both parties are. That's why it doesn't matter which party controls the Presidency.
 
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The Prophet said:
I feel like I'm speaking another language or trying to explain arithmetic to a Kit Kat bar. What don't you get? 9/11 did change everything, before Republicans were against nation building, as George Bush's election proves, but after, they followed the neo con propaganda machine, like so many Americans did. But it's unfair trying to place all the blame on Republicans for nation-building. Has the President that's been in office 3 years been a Democrat or a Republican? Has he continued nation building? If George Bush was a Democrat, or Al Gore got elected, we'd probably be in the same predicament.

I don't think Republicans in general, are nation builders particularly, but the Military Industrial Complex who controls both parties are. That's why it doesn't matter which party controls the Presidency.
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What I don't get is why some wingnuts continue to insist that republicans don't support nation building when republicans say they do and their actions prove it

Actually, I do get it. Some people just can't admit that they made a mistake.

And no one here has claimed that the republicans are the only ones who support nation building. That's just a straw man you've built to avoid admitting that you were wrong to claim that republicans do not support nation-building. You are now stuck in the absurd position of arguing that republicans don't support nation building, but besides, both parties do it

:cuckoo:
 
sangha said:
What I don't get is why some wingnuts continue to insist that republicans don't support nation building when republicans say they do and their actions prove it

Actually, I do get it. Some people just can't admit that they made a mistake.

And no one here has claimed that the republicans are the only ones who support nation building. That's just a straw man you've built to avoid admitting that you were wrong to claim that republicans do not support nation-building. You are now stuck in the absurd position of arguing that republicans don't support nation building, but besides, both parties do it

:cuckoo:
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I don't think your average, card-carrying Republican voter does, but the ones in power do.

Off topic, but this Bob guy is great. A bit to hyper for my tastes, but great insight!
 
The Prophet said:
I don't think your average, card-carrying Republican voter does, but the ones in power do.

Off topic, but this Bob guy is great. A bit to hyper for my tastes, but great insight!
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Uh-huh. I remember all the republican protesters there were opposing the republicans nation building in Iraq and Afghanistan :roll:
 
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