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Obama's speech in Osawatomie, KS

Conservative said:
The Obama speech was one of the most devisive ever given by any President
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Oh yeah, it was incredibly divisive!

I am here to say they are wrong. I’m here in Kansas to reaffirm my deep conviction that we’re greater together than we are on our own. I believe that this country succeeds when everyone gets a fair shot, when everyone does their fair share, when everyone plays by the same rules. These aren’t Democratic values or Republican values. These aren’t 1 percent values or 99 percent values. They’re American values. And we have to reclaim them.
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whysoserious said:
Do you agree with Obama about anything?
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He hasn't offered anything yet that I can agree with because what he has offered makes no economic sense. What should a Conservative believe in, wealth redistribution, class warfare? Tell me what i should agree with obama on, the top 1% paying 38% of FIT thus not paying their fair share? Funding the Payroll tax cut with an income tax increase on those top 1%? What part of that video I posted do you not understand?
 
Objective Voice said:
I was waiting for someone to start a thread based on the President's Osawatomie, KS speech and center their entire argument on this one paragraph from same:



First of all, that's NOT the actual quote from his speech. Here's how that paragraph actually reads:



(Note: The link to the speech is broken at WhiteHouse.gov, but I managed to find the entire speech here.)

Second, what the President was contrasting in his remarks (purposely misquoted I might add) is the attitude many pundits have that we as a nation are somehow better off fending for ourselves than working collectively for the good of the nation. Hence, the reference to individualism. Here's exactly what he said leading up to and including the correctly quoted paragraphs from his speech:



So, what the President was referring to when he said, "It doesn't work...It never worked," was the idea that "the market will take care of everything" and everybody would share in properity for all under the theory of trickle-down economics. Curious...how's that working for the country these days?

Of course, Rush Limbaugh had to get his jabs in, but he, too, purposefully misquoted the President. Here's a portion of the transcript from Rush's show today where he speaks about the speech:



Talk about totally distorting and purposefully misquoting a person! My goodness!! But those who hang on Rush Limbaugh's every word will surely drink the partisan kool-aide...:roll: And just so people no longer misunderstand what the President was saying going strictly by what Rush wrongfully quoted, the President DID NOT blame the wealthy for our economic woes nor did he blame corporations nor the free market system. He blamed "crony capitalism" and politicians who are in the back pockets of powerful lobbyest who have used their power and influence to shape our laws and tax policies to the will of corporate interest, as well as the wealthiest among us. But don't take my word for it. Read the President's speech.
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Distorting I think is their most favored tactic.
 
AdamT said:
Oh yeah, it was incredibly divisive!
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As is usual, you buy the rhetoric and ignore the actions. Everyone in this country is guaranteed an equal opportunity but NOT equal outcome. All words, define fair share, define a fair shot, and what rules we have now that arent the same for everyone? Do you ever think instead of simply feeling?
 
apdst said:
I want my rugged individualism preserved so I can make a living, create wealth and all the other things that, over the past 230 years have made this the greatest nation in the history of the world.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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the nation is broken, and it needs to be fixed.
 
Conservative said:
He hasn't offered anything yet that I can agree with because what he has offered makes no economic sense. What should a Conservative believe in, wealth redistribution, class warfare? Tell me what i should agree with obama on, the top 1% paying 38% of FIT thus not paying their fair share? Funding the Payroll tax cut with an income tax increase on those top 1%? What part of that video I posted do you not understand?
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Let's see, he has upped the forces in Afghanistan, withdrawn from Iraq as planned, not raised taxes, killed Osama bin Laden, aided countries in the ME during revolt without occupation or long-term forces, avoided double-dip recession (whether you attribute it to him or not), he is about to veto a bill that allows American citizens to be held without trial, etc.

I can keep going but it won't matter because you don't care about that stuff. You want a republican in office, and you won't be happy until that happens.
 
Conservative said:
As is usual, you buy the rhetoric and ignore the actions. Everyone in this country is guaranteed an equal opportunity but NOT equal outcome. All words, define fair share, define a fair shot, and what rules we have now that arent the same for everyone? Do you ever think instead of simply feeling?
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You were commenting on the rhetoric. You called it one of the most divisive speeches ever given. I'm sure you didn't even listen to it. As usual you attempt to divert when you're proven wrong.
 
whysoserious said:
Let's see, he has upped the forces in Afghanistan, withdrawn from Iraq as planned, not raised taxes, killed Osama bin Laden, aided countries in the ME during revolt without occupation or long-term forces, avoided double-dip recession (whether you attribute it to him or not), he is about to veto a bill that allows American citizens to be held without trial, etc.

I can keep going but it won't matter because you don't care about that stuff. You want a republican in office, and you won't be happy until that happens.
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Thought we were talking about the economy but if you want to go there, great, just tell me how that puts 24 million Americans back to work full time?

On the world stage you buy the rhetoric and ignore the substance, look at the results of the Arab Spring in Egypt? Look at what is going on in Iran? look at the negotiations for troops in Iraq?

he is "about to veto a bill" says a lot about you. Rhetoric trumps substance. let me know what bill allows Americans to be held without trial and when that bill passes?

I want a conservative in office, not a leftwing liberal who has zero management experience. You cannot seem to grasp that concept.
 
AdamT said:
You were commenting on the rhetoric. You called it one of the most divisive speeches ever given. I'm sure you didn't even listen to it. As usual you attempt to divert when you're proven wrong.
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I haven't been proven wrong, tell me what was unifying about that speech? You think the rich should pay more in taxes and why? What is fair share? you don't think you have an equal opportunity in this country? How did any rich person make someone else poor?
 
Conservative said:
I haven't been proven wrong, tell me what was unifying about that speech? You think the rich should pay more in taxes and why? What is fair share? you don't think you have an equal opportunity in this country? How did any rich person make someone else poor?
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Point out to me the parts of the speech that you think make it one of the most divisive ever given. :shrug:

I am here to say they are wrong. I’m here in Kansas to reaffirm my deep conviction that we’re greater together than we are on our own. I believe that this country succeeds when everyone gets a fair shot, when everyone does their fair share, when everyone plays by the same rules. These aren’t Democratic values or Republican values. These aren’t 1 percent values or 99 percent values. They’re American values. And we have to reclaim them.
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AdamT said:
Point out to me the parts of the speech that you think make it one of the most divisive ever given. :shrug:
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I posted the actual quote that was devisive but the entire speech was devisive including the implication that the rich aren't paying their fair share and that the rules are different depending on class. Implying that people don't have a fair shot here defies reality. Tell that to Zuckerberg, Gates, etc.
 
Conservative said:
he is "about to veto a bill" says a lot about you. Rhetoric trumps substance. let me know what bill allows Americans to be held without trial and when that bill passes?
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The National Defense Authorization Act is the Greatest Threat to Civil Liberties Americans Face
If Obama does one thing for the remainder of his presidency let it be a veto of the National Defense Authorization Act – a law recently passed by the Senate which would place domestic terror investigations and interrogations into the hands of the military and which would open the door for trial-free, indefinite detention of anyone, including American citizens, so long as the government calls them terrorists.
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It has already passed in the Senate, and I am not sure if it has been veto'd or will be, but he has said it will be veto'd already - I believe.
 
Conservative said:
I posted the actual quote that was devisive but the entire speech was devisive including the implication that the rich aren't paying their fair share and that the rules are different depending on class. Implying that people don't have a fair shot here defies reality. Tell that to Zuckerberg, Gates, etc.
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I've just been through the whole thread and I don't see where you've ever quoted from the speech. Feel free to point out where you have....
 
Conservative said:
Wow, it passed the Democrat controlled Senate? how can that be?
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Only 9 or so people voted against it... so it seems to be bipartisan idiocy, but don't let that stop you from being a complete hack as usual.
 
AdamT said:
Um, I think the last time we tried it was between 2001 and 2007. In case you forgot -- it didn't work out so well.
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Don't even try to say the W. Bush was a true conservative because he wasn't. He is guilty of big government just like Obama is, albeit on a smaller scale.
 
MarineTpartier said:
Don't even try to say the W. Bush was a true conservative because he wasn't. He is guilty of big government just like Obama is, albeit on a smaller scale.
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They're all "true" conservatives until they get elected. Then they cut taxes and increase spending.
 
MarineTpartier said:
Don't even try to say the W. Bush was a true conservative because he wasn't. He is guilty of big government just like Obama is, albeit on a smaller scale.
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Yeah, it has come to our attention through the past few years that GWB was actually one of the saner conservatives of late. I wouldn't brag.
 
AdamT said:
I've just been through the whole thread and I don't see where you've ever quoted from the speech. Feel free to point out where you have....
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*Bump*

Still looking?
 
whysoserious said:
Only 9 or so people voted against it... so it seems to be bipartisan idiocy, but don't let that stop you from being a complete hack as usual.
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So let me see if I have this right, the Democrat controlled Senate passed a bill that you don't like but I am a political hack? Interesting
 
AdamT said:
*Bump*

Still looking?
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Theory? This country has never worked?

Now, it’s a simple theory. And we have to admit, it’s one that speaks to our rugged individualism and our healthy skepticism of too much government. That’s in America’s DNA. And that theory fits well on a bumper sticker. (Laughter.) But here’s the problem: It doesn’t work. It has never worked. (Applause.) It didn’t work when it was tried in the decade before the Great Depression. It’s not what led to the incredible postwar booms of the ‘50s and ‘60s. And it didn’t work when we tried it during the last decade. (Applause.) I mean, understand, it’s not as if we haven’t tried this theory.
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Conservative said:
So let me see if I have this right, the Democrat controlled Senate passed a bill that you don't like but I am a political hack? Interesting
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It passed 93-7, meaning at least 40 republicans had to vote for it... so yeah, I am calling you a hack.
 
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