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How far out of touch is this guy, anyway?

USAMP1970 said:
Absolutely! I have been in the military for 12 years. Believe me, there is a lot of wasteful spending. You can cut defense spending without cutting actual defense. The whole system is basically to prop up the "military industrial complex". We spend more on "defense" than all other countries combined.Do we plan on invading all of them?
Look, it's an indisputable fact that ever war since WWII is illegal by the Constitution. When we don't have a war to fight, the CIA creates or propogates one.
The war in Iraq should have never been started. There is about as much evidence that Bin Laden caused 9-11 as there is that Oswald killed Kennedy.
Truman, Eisenhower, and Kennedy tried to warn us, not to mention most our founding fathers, but sadly it falls on deaf ears.
And you wonder why we are $15 trillion in debt. We here is a big reason.
Do YOU realize that there are billions upon billions of dollars unaccounted for? Not even Congress knows what the CIA does with there vast budget, and for what? Everything they have ever done has come back to bite us in the ass. Trillions of dollars and they can't even stop one terrorist attack.
Restore the federal government to what it is suppose to be, not what it has become. Then you might see some true liberty, and a prosperous economy.
The notion that soldiers sign up for this crap, or 'knew what they were getting themselves into' is complete crap. The oath is to defend the Constitution, from enemies foreign and domestic. The problem starts here at home. Revolution begins at home, but sadly ends there too.
Again, there is a reason Ron Paul has 80% of the military vote.. and not because of war-mongering.
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Interesting enough

Ron Paul Reaps Big Donations From Federal Workers (Video) - The Washington Post

Nov. 22 (Bloomberg) -- Ron Paul, the U.S. presidential candidate who says he'll shrink government the most, is attracting more campaign donations than any of his Republican rivals from both U.S. government workers and employees of the biggest federal contractors. Megan Hughes reports on Bloomberg Television's "Bottom Line." Mark Crumpton also speaks. (Source: Bloomberg) (Bloomberg)
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:-D
 
AdamT said:
No, it was a baldfaced strawman, as no one here argued that she was lying on her death bed.

She did have cancer. He was cheating on her. He did hassle her over the divorce while she was lying in a hospital bed recovering from surgery. He is a scumbag. I think that's the point.
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That's funny as hell, a BJ CLenis cheerleader whining like a little girl over the morals of a politicians. I'll bet you never had any problem with John Edwards either.
 
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Re Newt the newt telling his wife he was divorcing her while she was dying of cancer, apparently that is an urban legend. I posted this same thing on another forum, and one of the members came back with this:
One of the more nasty ones is the persistent tale of how Newt went to see his wife as she lay dying of cancer in her hospital bed and presented her with divorce papers. Ouch. That’s a pretty unpleasant story to float about anyone, and apparently it’s so temptingly salacious that it keeps getting hinted at in the media and I’ve seen it cropping up again on Twitter as recently as last night. Unfortunately for the gossip minded, nearly every aspect of the story is false and has been roundly debunked by what should be considered a pretty reliable source – his own daughter who was in the hospital room at the time.
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I'm still not voting for him.
 
conservativeguy said:
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That's funny as hell, a BJ CLenis cheerleader whining like a little girl over the morals of a politicians. I'll bet you never had any problem with John Edwards either.
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I never said that Clinton wasn't a scumbag. Also never said that being a scumbag should disqualify Newt (his politics do). But you would be an absolute hypocrite to deny that Newt is a scumbag in the same way that Clinton was.
 
Cardinal said:
All I require from my presidential candidate is that he be an expert in toying with people I disagree with.
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Isn't the problem we have now is that we have two parties in Congress who ONLY toy with each other and never get anything done? Certainly you don't expect me to pay YOU to toy around all day, why should I pay them to?
 
Cardinal said:
In part, though it's probably more complex.

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Ron Paul is destroying the Republican Party? Haha
"At the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism" -Ronald Reagan
Rush, I believe it is people like you that have ruined the party.
Michelle Bachmann did not win the Iowa Straw Poll. She paid for 6,000 tickets out of her pockey, and 2,000 of those people voted for Ron Paul.
A majority of Americans are Dems or independents which lean left. Electorially, Dems have the advantage. People assume that Obama will win this election. I disagree. If the Republicans run some bible thumping warmonger, I think this will be a close General Election.
Energizing the base didnt amount to crap in 2008 and it won't this time either. As an independent, in my opinion there are only three that might appeal to independents in the General... Ron Paul, Gary Johnson, and Jon Huntsman.
 
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USAMP1970 said:
Absolutely! I have been in the military for 12 years. Believe me, there is a lot of wasteful spending. You can cut defense spending without cutting actual defense. The whole system is basically to prop up the "military industrial complex". We spend more on "defense" than all other countries combined.Do we plan on invading all of them?
Look, it's an indisputable fact that ever war since WWII is illegal by the Constitution. When we don't have a war to fight, the CIA creates or propogates one.
The war in Iraq should have never been started. There is about as much evidence that Bin Laden caused 9-11 as there is that Oswald killed Kennedy.
Truman, Eisenhower, and Kennedy tried to warn us, not to mention most our founding fathers, but sadly it falls on deaf ears.
And you wonder why we are $15 trillion in debt. We here is a big reason.
Do YOU realize that there are billions upon billions of dollars unaccounted for? Not even Congress knows what the CIA does with there vast budget, and for what? Everything they have ever done has come back to bite us in the ass. Trillions of dollars and they can't even stop one terrorist attack.
Restore the federal government to what it is suppose to be, not what it has become. Then you might see some true liberty, and a prosperous economy.
The notion that soldiers sign up for this crap, or 'knew what they were getting themselves into' is complete crap. The oath is to defend the Constitution, from enemies foreign and domestic. The problem starts here at home. Revolution begins at home, but sadly ends there too.
Again, there is a reason Ron Paul has 80% of the military vote.. and not because of war-mongering.
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Viva la Revolutione, eh?

A while back I took time to write out a rather intense list of military-spending that could be cut which still would have preserved everyone's jobs - you know what, it aint never gonna happen.

Such cutting requires heartless and intense scrutiny - just like when I cleaned house to move I sorted through every single item in every nook and cranny. Reassessed it's reason for being, it's future purpose, whether keeping it was worth the space - and got rid of it if it wasn't crucial.

That's the first, most time consuming and most intense step - every department and every branch MUCH compel their selves to stop projecting "up" for the next fiscal year. They must project to either stagnate and use the same amount of budget - or reduce slightly.

Other things should be brought back too - such as being more organized and timely with travel plans and strict with housing upon arrival. My husband travels nationwide 30-50 times a year. He's allotted an excess for food that's always too much (he eats steak for dinner every night while he's gone - that much of excess). Hotel accommodations are always on the plush side - military bases do have lodging for cheap. Over 1/2 the time he's within the vicinity - 150/night or 40/night? Bases should also provide rentals rather than relying on companies such as Hertz - or worse - taxi for transport. . . and so on.

Every single area of spending for every purpose can be reigned in, altered and cut back if someone cares to try and takes the time.

But no one's taking the time - no one wants to bother because it's a huge undertaking and it would piss a lot of people off . . . if we have a commission that instructs Congress as to which bases should stay and which bases should go just to spare them the public-whip . . . then surely they could figure out a way to go about getting the reduction job done.
 
I agree with newt, they should be out looking for a job instead of protesting the fact that jobs are hard to find. You sure won't find one by having long dirty hair, tattoos and ear rings and if any potential employer sees a pic of you being pepper sprayed as you scream at cops you lessen your chances even further. As Newt said, clean up your body, clean up your act and get to work looking for work.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
I agree with newt, they should be out looking for a job instead of protesting the fact that jobs are hard to find. You sure won't find one by having long dirty hair, tattoos and ear rings and if any potential employer sees a pic of you being pepper sprayed as you scream at cops you lessen your chances even further. As Newt said, clean up your body, clean up your act and get to work looking for work.
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I hate to say it: but even though there is an undeniable unemployment problem . . . I don't imagine any of these people finding a job, either - I wouldn't hire someone if they gave me the same attitude and felt they were 'too good' to do their job - and applied looking like that.

No - that doesn't mean Newt or others should ignore the fact that jobs are limited these days for everyone in all brackets of living and employment.
 
Do people usually dress for a job interview when they are camping?
 
Thorgasm said:
Do people usually dress for a job interview when they are camping?
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I have a feeling that all of these people are homeless - if they weren't when they started they certainly are now.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
I have a feeling that all of these people are homeless - if they weren't when they started they certainly are now.
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I'm sure their mom's will let them move back into the basement. :lol:

Isn't even harder to get a job when you have no home?
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Viva la Revolutione, eh?

A while back I took time to write out a rather intense list of military-spending that could be cut which still would have preserved everyone's jobs - you know what, it aint never gonna happen.

Such cutting requires heartless and intense scrutiny - just like when I cleaned house to move I sorted through every single item in every nook and cranny. Reassessed it's reason for being, it's future purpose, whether keeping it was worth the space - and got rid of it if it wasn't crucial.

That's the first, most time consuming and most intense step - every department and every branch MUCH compel their selves to stop projecting "up" for the next fiscal year. They must project to either stagnate and use the same amount of budget - or reduce slightly.

Other things should be brought back too - such as being more organized and timely with travel plans and strict with housing upon arrival. My husband travels nationwide 30-50 times a year. He's allotted an excess for food that's always too much (he eats steak for dinner every night while he's gone - that much of excess). Hotel accommodations are always on the plush side - military bases do have lodging for cheap. Over 1/2 the time he's within the vicinity - 150/night or 40/night? Bases should also provide rentals rather than relying on companies such as Hertz - or worse - taxi for transport. . . and so on.

Every single area of spending for every purpose can be reigned in, altered and cut back if someone cares to try and takes the time.

But no one's taking the time - no one wants to bother because it's a huge undertaking and it would piss a lot of people off . . . if we have a commission that instructs Congress as to which bases should stay and which bases should go just to spare them the public-whip . . . then surely they could figure out a way to go about getting the reduction job done.
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You make good points, but I disagree that it's impossible. The only time I have ever agreed with Newt is that: when America truely cares and truely wants to... it can accomplish ANYTHING.
 
Rembember, Newt resigned his position as speaker for the house in 1997, due to ethics violations. The house voted to reprimend him and fined him a $300,000.

I'm not wild about Newt. The child labor statement was genius (not). Keep it up Newt. Maybe he will be the candidate.
 
Helix said:
if they could get a job and actually had a chance to climb the ladder so they could begin paying off their crushing college debt and getting started on their careers, a lot of them would be doing just that.
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So they just say "the hell with it, I'm done trying" so they go and **** in their tents and claim to be the victim.
 
Helix said:
if they could get a job and actually had a chance to climb the ladder so they could begin paying off their crushing college debt and getting started on their careers, a lot of them would be doing just that.
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I believe they are under the opinion that they deserve to have a really high paying job from "the-get-go" which is not how our system works. They may have to (ugg) take a menial job at first to get their feet wet then begin the climb up the corporate ladder. No one comes out of college and jumps into a $250k job.
 
AdamT said:
He'd probably be a better choice than anyone the GOP is offering up.
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Would John Stewart be better than Obama? Meaning would John be more of a failure than Obama, in that contest, I don't know who would take on the title of worst president ever.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
I agree with newt, they should be out looking for a job instead of protesting the fact that jobs are hard to find. You sure won't find one by having long dirty hair, tattoos and ear rings and if any potential employer sees a pic of you being pepper sprayed as you scream at cops you lessen your chances even further. As Newt said, clean up your body, clean up your act and get to work looking for work.
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What a gross over-generalization of the people involved in the movement. Of course Newt would be telling them to get a job and take a bath, he wants to keep his money and not let this movement expose the imbalance that exists. Be for or against the movement, but let's not disparage EVERYBODY involved, that is just ignorance.
 
Maybe Newt should lobby Freddie Mac some more so these people can have homes to go to. You know he was just helping the masses.
 
Cardinal said:
A politician that trolls is funny to those who get the "joke" and like that particular politician, childish to those who get the joke but don't like him, and just plain out of touch to those who don't get the joke at all.

One out of three isn't bad, I guess. It must be a new campaign strategy I haven't heard of yet, like when he said that child labor laws were stupid. :shrug:
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I troll when I think someone is being absolutely stupid and/or ridiculously obtuse, because I think that's all they deserve.
 
coolwalker said:
I believe they are under the opinion that they deserve to have a really high paying job from "the-get-go" which is not how our system works. They may have to (ugg) take a menial job at first to get their feet wet then begin the climb up the corporate ladder. No one comes out of college and jumps into a $250k job.
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Right but I think the problem that we are seeing is that these aren't all college kids. I agree, there are some kids out there who have no idea what the hell they are doing. They see a movement and want to be part of it - they can't find a job besides McDonald's and they SURE AS HELL cannot find one that is going to actually put their useless Arts degree to work.

However, people do not realize that there is a portion of the OWS movement who are grown adults, even older adults who HAVE been working for their whole lives, who HAVE had entry level jobs their whole lives and who are now losing their houses. These are the people I sympathize with, not the college students who want high paying jobs right now but the people who have worked their whole lives at low paying jobs trying to advance, aren't advancing, and are now being laid off and losing their perfectly reasonable houses which they could very reasonably afford with the job they had.

That is why I honestly won't call OWS flat out wrong. They make good points. The only issue is that a certain right wing media network which won't be named here, films the most ridiculous of the protesters and feed it to their waiting audience who will believe whatever is shoveled down their throat much like a certain left wing media network did with the tea party protesters.
 
Thorgasm said:
Maybe Newt should lobby Freddie Mac some more so these people can have homes to go to. You know he was just helping the masses.
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I assume you know what advice he gave his client, can you share the details?
 
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