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Conservative said:
In the latest Pew Poll, Independents are fleeing Barack Obama and as political followers will tell you, independents hold the key to the 2012 elections

Pew poll: In matchup with Obama, Romney holds advantage among independent voters - Political Intelligence - A national political and campaign blog from The Boston Globe - Boston.com
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and a majority of polls show obama winning by 2-6 points...so..your point is? we are still about a year out from election day, and the repubs have yet to choose a candidate....getting a little ahead of yourself?? helps obama too that the economy is gaining strength(something you don't want to admit, i know)
 
randel said:
and a majority of polls show obama winning by 2-6 points...so..your point is? we are still about a year out from election day, and the repubs have yet to choose a candidate....getting a little ahead of yourself?? helps obama too that the economy is gaining strength(something you don't want to admit, i know)
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The point is there is no Republican Candidate selected yet and Obama is losing the Independent vote. When a Republican candidate is selected the other Republicans will support that candidate thus making Obama a one term President.

I wonder what it is about Obama that creates such loyalty. In less than three years Obama has taken our debt over our yearly GDP and yet that doesn't matter to people like you. Wonder why? You don't think the debt affects you? The economy gaining strength? It is being generated by the Federal Govt. not the private sector and that bill is going to come due. When inflation hits and the interest rates rise the debt burden is going to crush this economy, but that is ok to an Obama supporter, right?
 
Conservative said:
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The point is there is no Republican Candidate selected yet and Obama is losing the Independent vote. When a Republican candidate is selected the other Republicans will support that candidate thus making Obama a one term President.

I wonder what it is about Obama that creates such loyalty. In less than three years Obama has taken our debt over our yearly GDP and yet that doesn't matter to people like you. Wonder why? You don't think the debt affects you? The economy gaining strength? It is being generated by the Federal Govt. not the private sector and that bill is going to come due. When inflation hits and the interest rates rise the debt burden is going to crush this economy, but that is ok to an Obama supporter, right?
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cincinnati radio host bill cunningham would disagree with you, he is hard core repub/conservative, and believes that obama gets a second term..lol....i wonder what it is about conservatism that inspires such blind loyalty, all they have done is make you look foolish. (figured i'd beat you to the 'foolish' part of the debate, now that that has been dispensed with, the possibility, however slim, now exists for actual debate)
 
Independent voters will likely hold the key as to whether President Obama is re-elected or defeated. Another key, however, will be Democratic Party turnout. For example, in parts of Westchester County in which Republicans have made inroads e.g., winning the County Executive office in 2009, there was a large increase in Democratic Party turnout. As a result, Democrats accounted for more than 40% of the total vote in many Districts, even as this was an off-year election. The increased Democratic Party turnout dwarfed a modest rise in Republican turnout. One of the issues involved was whether unionized Couny workers should pay a share of their health coverage costs (currently they don't). There was a big get-out-the-vote drive by the CSEA (the union that represents the County's unionized workers). It's too soon to know how effective that effort was, but it was an element that wasn't present in 2009 when far fewer Democrats voted.

Nationwide, the unions are playing a more vocal role. Ultimately, promised beneifts (not just for pubic workers) cannot be sustained at the levels set forth. But that does not mean that there won't be a battle before reforms are ultimately adopted. For now, the unions are playing a role in trying to stem changes that would require beneficiaries to either take cuts in benefits, pay more for future benefits, or some combination of the two. Wisconsin and Ohio have been battlegrounds. Westchester County, which has voted for Republicans and Democrats, even with a trending increase in Democratic Party enrollement as a share of total registered voters, may offer some insight. If so, one cannot dismiss the possibility of an energized Democratic base in time for the 2012 election. If the economy is improving modestly or, at least has not deteriorated from the current situation, the enhanced role of unions might well make a marginal difference in tipping what would otherwise be a very close election somewhat in the President's favor.

For me, it's far too soon to make any such predictions. But what happened in Westchester County might offer some insight.
 
randel said:
cincinnati radio host bill cunningham would disagree with you, he is hard core repub/conservative, and believes that obama gets a second term..lol....i wonder what it is about conservatism that inspires such blind loyalty, all they have done is make you look foolish. (figured i'd beat you to the 'foolish' part of the debate, now that that has been dispensed with, the possibility, however slim, now exists for actual debate)
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What is it about Obama that creates such loyalty? Would you support any Republican that generated the results Obama has generated in his first term? The blind loyalty you call it is for results, not rhetoric. Apparently you don't know the difference.
 
Conservative said:
What is it about Obama that creates such loyalty? Would you support any Republican that generated the results Obama has generated in his first term? The blind loyalty you call it is for results, not rhetoric. Apparently you don't know the difference.
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says the man who has voted multiple times for republican candidates who generate the same or worse results that he criticizes democrats for....you don't make much sense. put the (R) in front of the name, and those are the 'results' you are looking for. the only 'results' that matter to you
 
randel said:
says the man who has voted multiple times for republican candidates who generate the same or worse results that he criticizes democrats for....you don't make much sense. put the (R) in front of the name, and those are the 'results' you are looking for. the only 'results' that matter to you
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And what Republican candidate would that be? Were the results better in 2004 when Bush ran for re-election than they were when he took office? Results don't seem to matter to you as all that matters is what the candidate says. We have been over that "r" issue before but like with all issues you just run when challenged. You seem to have this problem of buying rhetoric and ignoring results. Better stick with that union of yours.
 
Conservative said:
What is it about Obama that creates such loyalty? .
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Do you really expect anyone to waste one moment of their time and energy to answer you........ yet again, and you either ignore the answer or dispute it because you chose to BELIEVE otherwise?

A few weeks ago you ran the same nonsense with your constant same question about liberalism and loyalty. And I wasted five minutes of my time and gave you a detailed answer which you simply opted to not believe and kept on asking the same silly question for your own benefit.

There is no point to it.
 
Conservative said:
And what Republican candidate would that be? Were the results better in 2004 when Bush ran for re-election than they were when he took office? Results don't seem to matter to you as all that matters is what the candidate says. We have been over that "r" issue before but like with all issues you just run when challenged. You seem to have this problem of buying rhetoric and ignoring results. Better stick with that union of yours.
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"you just run when challenged. " obviously referring to yourself with that line
 
haymarket said:
Do you really expect anyone to waste one moment of their time and energy to answer you........ yet again, and you either ignore the answer or dispute it because you chose to BELIEVE otherwise?

A few weeks ago you ran the same nonsense with your constant same question about liberalism and loyalty. And I wasted five minutes of my time and gave you a detailed answer which you simply opted to not believe and kept on asking the same silly question for your own benefit.

There is no point to it.
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So you just wasted more time responding the way you did and yet saying nothing. You do that a lot. You said nothing as you continue to ignore the Obama results. Results matter, not rhetoric, except to a true liberal that relies on other people being dependent to keep your job.
 
Conservative said:
What is it in the Obama record that warrants re-election?
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yawn... you asked this before and you were supplied with answers before and they did not good because you are not honestly going to listen to anything anyways.

You were given something like this months ago when you whined the same tired tune

try this - 244 accomplishments

http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2010/10/president-obamas-244-accomplishments-part-4/

http://3chicspolitico.com/president-obamas-accomplishments/

Obama's Achievements Center

and here is a summary for you to make it even easier (but the first link with 244 accomplishments is the best one to go to and learn)


1. Ordered all federal agencies to undertake a study and make recommendations for ways to cut spending
2. Ordered a review of all federal operations to identify and cut wasteful spending and practices
3. Instituted enforcement for equal pay for women
4. Beginning the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq
5. Families of fallen soldiers have expenses covered to be on hand when the body arrives at Dover AFB
6 Ended media blackout on war casualties; reporting full information
7. Ended media blackout on covering the return of fallen soldiers to Dover AFB; the media is now permitted to do so pending adherence to respectful rules and approval of fallen soldier’s family
8. The White House and federal government are respecting the Freedom of Information Act
9. Instructed all federal agencies to promote openness and transparency as much as possible
10. Limits on lobbyist’s access to the White House
11. Limits on White House aides working for lobbyists after their tenure in the administration
12. Ended the previous stop-loss policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date
13. Phasing out the expensive F-22 war plane and other outdated weapons systems, which weren’t even used or needed in Iraq/Afghanistan
14. Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research
15. Federal support for stem-cell and new biomedical research
16. New federal funding for science and research labs
17. States are permitted to enact federal fuel efficiency standards above federal standards
18. Increased infrastructure spending (roads, bridges, power plants) after years of neglect
19. Funds for high-speed, broadband Internet access to K-12 schools
20. New funds for school construction
21 The prison at Guantanamo Bay is being phased out
22. US Auto industry rescue plan
23. Housing rescue plan
24. $789 billion economic stimulus plan
25. The public can meet with federal housing insurers to refinance (the new plan can be completed in one day) a mortgage if they are having trouble paying
26. US financial and banking rescue plan
27. The secret detention facilities in Eastern Europe and elsewhere are being closed
28. Ended the previous policy; the US now has a no torture policy and is in compliance with theGeneva Convention standards
29. Better body armor is now being provided to our troops
30. The missile defense program is being cut by $1.4 billion in 2010
31. Restarted the nuclear nonproliferation talks and building back up the nuclear inspection infrastructure/protocols
32. Reengaged in the treaties/agreements to protect the Antarctic
33. Reengaged in the agreements/talks on global warming and greenhouse gas emissions
34. Visited more countries and met with more world leaders than any president in his first six months in office
35. Successful release of US captain held bySomali pirates; authorized the SEALS to do their job
36. US Navy increasing patrols off Somali coast
37. Attractive tax write-offs for those who buy hybrid automobiles
38. Cash for clunkers program offers vouchers to trade in fuel inefficient, polluting old cars for new cars; stimulated auto sales
39. Announced plans to purchase fuel efficient American-made fleet for the federal government
40. Expanded the SCHIP program to cover health care for 4 million more children
41. Signed national service legislation; expandednational youth service program
42. Instituted a new policy on Cuba, allowing Cuban families to return home to visit loved ones
43. Ended the previous policy of not regulating and labeling carbon dioxide emissions
44. Expanding vaccination programs
45. Immediate and efficient response to the floods in North Dakota and other natural disasters
46. Closed offshore tax safe havens
47. Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to permit US government to gain access to records of tax evaders and criminals
48. Ended the previous policy of offering tax benefits to corporations who outsource American jobs; the new policy is to promote in-sourcing to bring jobs back
49.. Ended the previous practice of protecting credit card companies; in place of it are new consumer protections from credit card industry’s predatory practices
50. Energy producing plants must begin preparing to produce 15% of their energy from renewable sources
51. Lower drug costs for seniors
52. Ended the previous practice of forbidding Medicare from negotiating with drug manufacturers for cheaper drugs; the federal government is now realizing hundreds of millions in savings
53. Increasing pay and benefits for military personnel
54. Improved housing for military personnel
55. Initiating a new policy to promote federal hiring of military spouses
56. Improved conditions at Walter Reed Military Hospital and other military hospitals
57 Increasing student loans
58. Increasing opportunities in AmeriCorps program
59. Sent envoys to Middle East and other parts of the world that had been neglected for years; reengaging in multilateral and bilateral talks and diplomacy
60. Established a new cyber security office
61. Beginning the process of reforming and restructuring the military 20 years after the Cold War to a more modern fighting force; this includes new procurement policies, increasing size of military, new technology and cyber units and operations, etc.
62. Ended previous policy of awarding no-bid defense contracts
63. Ordered a review of hurricane and natural disaster preparedness
64. Established a National Performance Officer charged with saving the federal government money and making federal operations more efficient
65. Students struggling to make college loan payments can have their loans refinanced
66. Improving benefits for veterans
67. Many more press conferences and town halls and much more media access than previous administration
68. Instituted a new focus on mortgage fraud
69. The FDA is now regulating tobacco
70. Ended previous policy of cutting the FDA and circumventing FDA rules
71. Ended previous practice of having White House aides rewrite scientific and environmental rules, regulations, and reports
72. Authorized discussions with North Korea and private mission by Pres. Bill Clinton to secure the release of two Americans held in prisons
73. Authorized discussions with Myanmar and mission by Sen. Jim Web to secure the release of an American held captive
74. Making more loans available to small businesses
75. Established independent commission to make recommendations on slowing the costs of Medicare
76. Appointment of first Latina to the Supreme Court
77. Authorized construction/opening of additional health centers to care for veterans
78. Limited salaries of senior White House aides; cut to $100,000
79. Renewed loan guarantees for Israel
80. Changed the failing/status quo military command in Afghanistan
81. Deployed additional troops to Afghanistan
82. New Afghan War policy that limits aerial bombing and prioritizes aid, development of infrastructure, diplomacy, and good government practices by Afghans
83. Announced the long-term development of a national energy grid with renewable sources and cleaner, efficient energy production
84. Returned money authorized for refurbishment of White House offices and private living quarters
85. Paid for redecoration of White House living quarters out of his own pocket
86. Held first Seder in White House
87. Attempting to reform the nation’s healthcare system which is the most expensive in the world yet leaves almost 50 million without health insurance and millions more under insured
88. Has put the ball in play for comprehensive immigration reform
89. Has announced his intention to push for energy reform
90. Has announced his intention to push for education reform
 
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Conservative said:
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The point is there is no Republican Candidate selected yet and Obama is losing the Independent vote. When a Republican candidate is selected the other Republicans will support that candidate thus making Obama a one term President.

I wonder what it is about Obama that creates such loyalty. In less than three years Obama has taken our debt over our yearly GDP and yet that doesn't matter to people like you. Wonder why? You don't think the debt affects you? The economy gaining strength? It is being generated by the Federal Govt. not the private sector and that bill is going to come due. When inflation hits and the interest rates rise the debt burden is going to crush this economy, but that is ok to an Obama supporter, right?
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As long as the Republicans nominate Romney, or better yet, the longshot, Huntsman, then Obama will most likely be a one term president. The problem is, he's a Mormon:shock:. He has to get past the religious nutters on the extreme fringe of the Republican party in order to get the nomination.

If the Republicans nominate Cain or Perry, then they will have a hard sell to the independent voters, and Obama will most likely get a second term.

Remember our bet?
 
pbrauer said:
Do you know what excuse Romney used for getting out of the race in 2008?:lol:
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You seem to always look backwards when it comes to a Republican but not with Obama. Why did you vote for Obama in the first place with his background? Now you have actual results and will vote for him again. That says a lot about you
 
Conservative said:
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The point is there is no Republican Candidate selected yet and Obama is losing the Independent vote. When a Republican candidate is selected the other Republicans will support that candidate thus making Obama a one term President.

I wonder what it is about Obama that creates such loyalty. In less than three years Obama has taken our debt over our yearly GDP and yet that doesn't matter to people like you. Wonder why? You don't think the debt affects you? The economy gaining strength? It is being generated by the Federal Govt. not the private sector and that bill is going to come due. When inflation hits and the interest rates rise the debt burden is going to crush this economy, but that is ok to an Obama supporter, right?
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Independent voters are all over the map and not necessarily deeply conservative. If we want to look at how other candidates stack up against obama, we can refer to those specific polls instead of making the sort of assumption that you are making.
 
haymarket said:
yawn... you asked this before and you were supplied with answers before and they did not good because you are not honestly going to listen to anything anyways.

You were given something like this months ago when you whined the same tired tune

try this - 244 accomplishments

President Obama’s 244 Accomplishments, Part 4 - Jack & Jill Politics

President Obama’s Accomplishments | 3CHICSPOLITICO

Obama's Achievements Center

and here is a summary for you to make it even easier (but the first link with 244 accomplishments is the best one to go to and learn)


1. Ordered all federal agencies to undertake a study and make recommendations for ways to cut spending
2. Ordered a review of all federal operations to identify and cut wasteful spending and practices
3. Instituted enforcement for equal pay for women
4. Beginning the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq
5. Families of fallen soldiers have expenses covered to be on hand when the body arrives at Dover AFB
6 Ended media blackout on war casualties; reporting full information
7. Ended media blackout on covering the return of fallen soldiers to Dover AFB; the media is now permitted to do so pending adherence to respectful rules and approval of fallen soldier’s family
8. The White House and federal government are respecting the Freedom of Information Act
9. Instructed all federal agencies to promote openness and transparency as much as possible
10. Limits on lobbyist’s access to the White House
11. Limits on White House aides working for lobbyists after their tenure in the administration
12. Ended the previous stop-loss policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date
13. Phasing out the expensive F-22 war plane and other outdated weapons systems, which weren’t even used or needed in Iraq/Afghanistan
14. Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research
15. Federal support for stem-cell and new biomedical research
16. New federal funding for science and research labs
17. States are permitted to enact federal fuel efficiency standards above federal standards
18. Increased infrastructure spending (roads, bridges, power plants) after years of neglect
19. Funds for high-speed, broadband Internet access to K-12 schools
20. New funds for school construction
21 The prison at Guantanamo Bay is being phased out
22. US Auto industry rescue plan
23. Housing rescue plan
24. $789 billion economic stimulus plan
25. The public can meet with federal housing insurers to refinance (the new plan can be completed in one day) a mortgage if they are having trouble paying
26. US financial and banking rescue plan
27. The secret detention facilities in Eastern Europe and elsewhere are being closed
28. Ended the previous policy; the US now has a no torture policy and is in compliance with theGeneva Convention standards
29. Better body armor is now being provided to our troops
30. The missile defense program is being cut by $1.4 billion in 2010
31. Restarted the nuclear nonproliferation talks and building back up the nuclear inspection infrastructure/protocols
32. Reengaged in the treaties/agreements to protect the Antarctic
33. Reengaged in the agreements/talks on global warming and greenhouse gas emissions
34. Visited more countries and met with more world leaders than any president in his first six months in office
35. Successful release of US captain held bySomali pirates; authorized the SEALS to do their job
36. US Navy increasing patrols off Somali coast
37. Attractive tax write-offs for those who buy hybrid automobiles
38. Cash for clunkers program offers vouchers to trade in fuel inefficient, polluting old cars for new cars; stimulated auto sales
39. Announced plans to purchase fuel efficient American-made fleet for the federal government
40. Expanded the SCHIP program to cover health care for 4 million more children
41. Signed national service legislation; expandednational youth service program
42. Instituted a new policy on Cuba, allowing Cuban families to return home to visit loved ones
43. Ended the previous policy of not regulating and labeling carbon dioxide emissions
44. Expanding vaccination programs
45. Immediate and efficient response to the floods in North Dakota and other natural disasters
46. Closed offshore tax safe havens
47. Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to permit US government to gain access to records of tax evaders and criminals
48. Ended the previous policy of offering tax benefits to corporations who outsource American jobs; the new policy is to promote in-sourcing to bring jobs back
49.. Ended the previous practice of protecting credit card companies; in place of it are new consumer protections from credit card industry’s predatory practices
50. Energy producing plants must begin preparing to produce 15% of their energy from renewable sources
51. Lower drug costs for seniors
52. Ended the previous practice of forbidding Medicare from negotiating with drug manufacturers for cheaper drugs; the federal government is now realizing hundreds of millions in savings
53. Increasing pay and benefits for military personnel
54. Improved housing for military personnel
55. Initiating a new policy to promote federal hiring of military spouses
56. Improved conditions at Walter Reed Military Hospital and other military hospitals
57 Increasing student loans
58. Increasing opportunities in AmeriCorps program
59. Sent envoys to Middle East and other parts of the world that had been neglected for years; reengaging in multilateral and bilateral talks and diplomacy
60. Established a new cyber security office
61. Beginning the process of reforming and restructuring the military 20 years after the Cold War to a more modern fighting force; this includes new procurement policies, increasing size of military, new technology and cyber units and operations, etc.
62. Ended previous policy of awarding no-bid defense contracts
63. Ordered a review of hurricane and natural disaster preparedness
64. Established a National Performance Officer charged with saving the federal government money and making federal operations more efficient
65. Students struggling to make college loan payments can have their loans refinanced
66. Improving benefits for veterans
67. Many more press conferences and town halls and much more media access than previous administration
68. Instituted a new focus on mortgage fraud
69. The FDA is now regulating tobacco
70. Ended previous policy of cutting the FDA and circumventing FDA rules
71. Ended previous practice of having White House aides rewrite scientific and environmental rules, regulations, and reports
72. Authorized discussions with North Korea and private mission by Pres. Bill Clinton to secure the release of two Americans held in prisons
73. Authorized discussions with Myanmar and mission by Sen. Jim Web to secure the release of an American held captive
74. Making more loans available to small businesses
75. Established independent commission to make recommendations on slowing the costs of Medicare
76. Appointment of first Latina to the Supreme Court
77. Authorized construction/opening of additional health centers to care for veterans
78. Limited salaries of senior White House aides; cut to $100,000
79. Renewed loan guarantees for Israel
80. Changed the failing/status quo military command in Afghanistan
81. Deployed additional troops to Afghanistan
82. New Afghan War policy that limits aerial bombing and prioritizes aid, development of infrastructure, diplomacy, and good government practices by Afghans
83. Announced the long-term development of a national energy grid with renewable sources and cleaner, efficient energy production
84. Returned money authorized for refurbishment of White House offices and private living quarters
85. Paid for redecoration of White House living quarters out of his own pocket
86. Held first Seder in White House
87. Attempting to reform the nation’s healthcare system which is the most expensive in the world yet leaves almost 50 million without health insurance and millions more under insured
88. Has put the ball in play for comprehensive immigration reform
89. Has announced his intention to push for energy reform
90. Has announced his intention to push for education reform
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What link did you get that piece of BS from? Do you think that if Obama did what you posted that his approval ratings would be higher? Much of what you claim either didn't happen or were begun by Bush and none of it trumps the 25 plus million unemployed/under employed, 4.4 trillion added to the debt, declining labor force, rising misery index but apparently that doesn't matter to you. Notice a lot of intention to do this, authorized discussions to do that, ordered a review of this and that. Where are the concrete results that actually matter to the American people? You can fool some of the people all of the time and that would be the Obama base.
 
megaprogman said:
Independent voters are all over the map and not necessarily deeply conservative. If we want to look at how other candidates stack up against obama, we can refer to those specific polls instead of making the sort of assumption that you are making.
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Included in that poll are the comparison between Romney and Obama along with the other candidates. Why would anyone vote for another 4 years of this bs? I have posted the results over and over again only to be ignored. Guess rhetoric always trumps results in the Obama world.
 
Conservative said:
What link did you get that piece of BS from? Do you think that if Obama did what you posted that his approval ratings would be higher? Much of what you claim either didn't happen or were begun by Bush and none of it trumps the 25 plus million unemployed/under employed, 4.4 trillion added to the debt, declining labor force, rising misery index but apparently that doesn't matter to you. Notice a lot of intention to do this, authorized discussions to do that, ordered a review of this and that. Where are the concrete results that actually matter to the American people? You can fool some of the people all of the time and that would be the Obama base.
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quite an impressive list, whether or not you want to give obama credit for anything(which you don't and won't, as he doesnt have an (R) next to his name. )
 
Conservative said:
Included in that poll are the comparison between Romney and Obama along with the other candidates. Why would anyone vote for another 4 years of this bs? I have posted the results over and over again only to be ignored. Guess rhetoric always trumps results in the Obama world.
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Why people do what they do is a question that often only they can answer. However, I think it is safe to say that people in general do not trust what conservative from debatepolitics.com has to say over their own beliefs and experiences. I imagine that the vast majority of people don't know or don't care who you are.

Also, from your article

By comparison, Obama holds double-digit leads over GOP candidates Rick Perry, Newt Gingrich, and Herman Cain.
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So, I am curious how you predict that people who Obama has a double digit lead over will suddenly become front runners? Its not as if the polling was an either or question, candidates were matched against obama individually, meaning that a person being polled can like Gingrich, Romney, Parry, or whoever else as much as they want and not be forced to choose. Thus one candidate does not crowd out another.
 
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Conservative said:
In the latest Pew Poll, Independents are fleeing Barack Obama and as political followers will tell you, independents hold the key to the 2012 elections

Pew poll: In matchup with Obama, Romney holds advantage among independent voters - Political Intelligence - A national political and campaign blog from The Boston Globe - Boston.com
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For once....you are right....although I don't think they are "fleeing" to the extremes that you will claim. The reality though is, the ONLY GOP candidate that is going to get those votes is Romney. Good thing that the GOP remains stupid enough to go for one of the fringe candidates. I'm in the anyone but Romney camp myself.
 
Conservative said:
Would you support any Republican that generated the results Obama has generated in his first term? The blind loyalty you call it is for results, not rhetoric.
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LOL.....oh....the irony. Do you seriously not see the hypocracy in the stuff that you post?
 
randel said:
quite an impressive list, whether or not you want to give obama credit for anything(which you don't and won't, as he doesnt have an (R) next to his name. )
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Impressive in what way? Where are the actual results associated with those claims? Do you think that will resonate with the 25 million plus Americans unemployed, or the lost businesses, meager economic growth, rising misery index, and total lack of leadership? Results matter, not rhetoric. Don't tell me what you think you have done, tell me exactly what you have done.
 
disneydude said:
LOL.....oh....the irony. Do you seriously not see the hypocracy in the stuff that you post?
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I am waiting for you to post the Bush economic results in 2004, his re-election year, we had growing employment with more people working than when he took office and GDP growth of over 2.2 trillion dollars. Why would I vote for John Kerry with those kind of results? Guess thinking isn't a strong suit of yours
 
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