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    Re: Romney vs. Obama-Romney winning Independent Voters

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Do you really expect anyone to waste one moment of their time and energy to answer you........ yet again, and you either ignore the answer or dispute it because you chose to BELIEVE otherwise?

    A few weeks ago you ran the same nonsense with your constant same question about liberalism and loyalty. And I wasted five minutes of my time and gave you a detailed answer which you simply opted to not believe and kept on asking the same silly question for your own benefit.

    There is no point to it.
    So you just wasted more time responding the way you did and yet saying nothing. You do that a lot. You said nothing as you continue to ignore the Obama results. Results matter, not rhetoric, except to a true liberal that relies on other people being dependent to keep your job.

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    Re: Romney vs. Obama-Romney winning Independent Voters

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    "you just run when challenged. " obviously referring to yourself with that line
    What is it in the Obama record that warrants re-election?

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    Re: Romney vs. Obama-Romney winning Independent Voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    In the latest Pew Poll, Independents are fleeing Barack Obama and as political followers will tell you, independents hold the key to the 2012 elections

    Pew poll: In matchup with Obama, Romney holds advantage among independent voters - Political Intelligence - A national political and campaign blog from The Boston Globe - Boston.com
    Do you know what excuse Romney used for getting out of the race in 2008?


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    Re: Romney vs. Obama-Romney winning Independent Voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What is it in the Obama record that warrants re-election?
    yawn... you asked this before and you were supplied with answers before and they did not good because you are not honestly going to listen to anything anyways.

    You were given something like this months ago when you whined the same tired tune

    try this - 244 accomplishments

    http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2...hments-part-4/

    http://3chicspolitico.com/president-...complishments/

    Obama's Achievements Center

    and here is a summary for you to make it even easier (but the first link with 244 accomplishments is the best one to go to and learn)


    1. Ordered all federal agencies to undertake a study and make recommendations for ways to cut spending
    2. Ordered a review of all federal operations to identify and cut wasteful spending and practices
    3. Instituted enforcement for equal pay for women
    4. Beginning the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq
    5. Families of fallen soldiers have expenses covered to be on hand when the body arrives at Dover AFB
    6 Ended media blackout on war casualties; reporting full information
    7. Ended media blackout on covering the return of fallen soldiers to Dover AFB; the media is now permitted to do so pending adherence to respectful rules and approval of fallen soldier’s family
    8. The White House and federal government are respecting the Freedom of Information Act
    9. Instructed all federal agencies to promote openness and transparency as much as possible
    10. Limits on lobbyist’s access to the White House
    11. Limits on White House aides working for lobbyists after their tenure in the administration
    12. Ended the previous stop-loss policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date
    13. Phasing out the expensive F-22 war plane and other outdated weapons systems, which weren’t even used or needed in Iraq/Afghanistan
    14. Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research
    15. Federal support for stem-cell and new biomedical research
    16. New federal funding for science and research labs
    17. States are permitted to enact federal fuel efficiency standards above federal standards
    18. Increased infrastructure spending (roads, bridges, power plants) after years of neglect
    19. Funds for high-speed, broadband Internet access to K-12 schools
    20. New funds for school construction
    21 The prison at Guantanamo Bay is being phased out
    22. US Auto industry rescue plan
    23. Housing rescue plan
    24. $789 billion economic stimulus plan
    25. The public can meet with federal housing insurers to refinance (the new plan can be completed in one day) a mortgage if they are having trouble paying
    26. US financial and banking rescue plan
    27. The secret detention facilities in Eastern Europe and elsewhere are being closed
    28. Ended the previous policy; the US now has a no torture policy and is in compliance with theGeneva Convention standards
    29. Better body armor is now being provided to our troops
    30. The missile defense program is being cut by $1.4 billion in 2010
    31. Restarted the nuclear nonproliferation talks and building back up the nuclear inspection infrastructure/protocols
    32. Reengaged in the treaties/agreements to protect the Antarctic
    33. Reengaged in the agreements/talks on global warming and greenhouse gas emissions
    34. Visited more countries and met with more world leaders than any president in his first six months in office
    35. Successful release of US captain held bySomali pirates; authorized the SEALS to do their job
    36. US Navy increasing patrols off Somali coast
    37. Attractive tax write-offs for those who buy hybrid automobiles
    38. Cash for clunkers program offers vouchers to trade in fuel inefficient, polluting old cars for new cars; stimulated auto sales
    39. Announced plans to purchase fuel efficient American-made fleet for the federal government
    40. Expanded the SCHIP program to cover health care for 4 million more children
    41. Signed national service legislation; expandednational youth service program
    42. Instituted a new policy on Cuba, allowing Cuban families to return home to visit loved ones
    43. Ended the previous policy of not regulating and labeling carbon dioxide emissions
    44. Expanding vaccination programs
    45. Immediate and efficient response to the floods in North Dakota and other natural disasters
    46. Closed offshore tax safe havens
    47. Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to permit US government to gain access to records of tax evaders and criminals
    48. Ended the previous policy of offering tax benefits to corporations who outsource American jobs; the new policy is to promote in-sourcing to bring jobs back
    49.. Ended the previous practice of protecting credit card companies; in place of it are new consumer protections from credit card industry’s predatory practices
    50. Energy producing plants must begin preparing to produce 15% of their energy from renewable sources
    51. Lower drug costs for seniors
    52. Ended the previous practice of forbidding Medicare from negotiating with drug manufacturers for cheaper drugs; the federal government is now realizing hundreds of millions in savings
    53. Increasing pay and benefits for military personnel
    54. Improved housing for military personnel
    55. Initiating a new policy to promote federal hiring of military spouses
    56. Improved conditions at Walter Reed Military Hospital and other military hospitals
    57 Increasing student loans
    58. Increasing opportunities in AmeriCorps program
    59. Sent envoys to Middle East and other parts of the world that had been neglected for years; reengaging in multilateral and bilateral talks and diplomacy
    60. Established a new cyber security office
    61. Beginning the process of reforming and restructuring the military 20 years after the Cold War to a more modern fighting force; this includes new procurement policies, increasing size of military, new technology and cyber units and operations, etc.
    62. Ended previous policy of awarding no-bid defense contracts
    63. Ordered a review of hurricane and natural disaster preparedness
    64. Established a National Performance Officer charged with saving the federal government money and making federal operations more efficient
    65. Students struggling to make college loan payments can have their loans refinanced
    66. Improving benefits for veterans
    67. Many more press conferences and town halls and much more media access than previous administration
    68. Instituted a new focus on mortgage fraud
    69. The FDA is now regulating tobacco
    70. Ended previous policy of cutting the FDA and circumventing FDA rules
    71. Ended previous practice of having White House aides rewrite scientific and environmental rules, regulations, and reports
    72. Authorized discussions with North Korea and private mission by Pres. Bill Clinton to secure the release of two Americans held in prisons
    73. Authorized discussions with Myanmar and mission by Sen. Jim Web to secure the release of an American held captive
    74. Making more loans available to small businesses
    75. Established independent commission to make recommendations on slowing the costs of Medicare
    76. Appointment of first Latina to the Supreme Court
    77. Authorized construction/opening of additional health centers to care for veterans
    78. Limited salaries of senior White House aides; cut to $100,000
    79. Renewed loan guarantees for Israel
    80. Changed the failing/status quo military command in Afghanistan
    81. Deployed additional troops to Afghanistan
    82. New Afghan War policy that limits aerial bombing and prioritizes aid, development of infrastructure, diplomacy, and good government practices by Afghans
    83. Announced the long-term development of a national energy grid with renewable sources and cleaner, efficient energy production
    84. Returned money authorized for refurbishment of White House offices and private living quarters
    85. Paid for redecoration of White House living quarters out of his own pocket
    86. Held first Seder in White House
    87. Attempting to reform the nation’s healthcare system which is the most expensive in the world yet leaves almost 50 million without health insurance and millions more under insured
    88. Has put the ball in play for comprehensive immigration reform
    89. Has announced his intention to push for energy reform
    90. Has announced his intention to push for education reform
    Last edited by haymarket; 11-21-11 at 10:52 AM.
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    Re: Romney vs. Obama-Romney winning Independent Voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
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    The point is there is no Republican Candidate selected yet and Obama is losing the Independent vote. When a Republican candidate is selected the other Republicans will support that candidate thus making Obama a one term President.

    I wonder what it is about Obama that creates such loyalty. In less than three years Obama has taken our debt over our yearly GDP and yet that doesn't matter to people like you. Wonder why? You don't think the debt affects you? The economy gaining strength? It is being generated by the Federal Govt. not the private sector and that bill is going to come due. When inflation hits and the interest rates rise the debt burden is going to crush this economy, but that is ok to an Obama supporter, right?
    As long as the Republicans nominate Romney, or better yet, the longshot, Huntsman, then Obama will most likely be a one term president. The problem is, he's a Mormon. He has to get past the religious nutters on the extreme fringe of the Republican party in order to get the nomination.

    If the Republicans nominate Cain or Perry, then they will have a hard sell to the independent voters, and Obama will most likely get a second term.

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    Re: Romney vs. Obama-Romney winning Independent Voters

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Do you know what excuse Romney used for getting out of the race in 2008?
    You seem to always look backwards when it comes to a Republican but not with Obama. Why did you vote for Obama in the first place with his background? Now you have actual results and will vote for him again. That says a lot about you

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    Re: Romney vs. Obama-Romney winning Independent Voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
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    The point is there is no Republican Candidate selected yet and Obama is losing the Independent vote. When a Republican candidate is selected the other Republicans will support that candidate thus making Obama a one term President.

    I wonder what it is about Obama that creates such loyalty. In less than three years Obama has taken our debt over our yearly GDP and yet that doesn't matter to people like you. Wonder why? You don't think the debt affects you? The economy gaining strength? It is being generated by the Federal Govt. not the private sector and that bill is going to come due. When inflation hits and the interest rates rise the debt burden is going to crush this economy, but that is ok to an Obama supporter, right?
    Independent voters are all over the map and not necessarily deeply conservative. If we want to look at how other candidates stack up against obama, we can refer to those specific polls instead of making the sort of assumption that you are making.

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    Re: Romney vs. Obama-Romney winning Independent Voters

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    yawn... you asked this before and you were supplied with answers before and they did not good because you are not honestly going to listen to anything anyways.

    You were given something like this months ago when you whined the same tired tune

    try this - 244 accomplishments

    President Obama’s 244 Accomplishments, Part 4 - Jack & Jill Politics

    President Obama’s Accomplishments | 3CHICSPOLITICO

    Obama's Achievements Center

    and here is a summary for you to make it even easier (but the first link with 244 accomplishments is the best one to go to and learn)


    1. Ordered all federal agencies to undertake a study and make recommendations for ways to cut spending
    2. Ordered a review of all federal operations to identify and cut wasteful spending and practices
    3. Instituted enforcement for equal pay for women
    4. Beginning the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq
    5. Families of fallen soldiers have expenses covered to be on hand when the body arrives at Dover AFB
    6 Ended media blackout on war casualties; reporting full information
    7. Ended media blackout on covering the return of fallen soldiers to Dover AFB; the media is now permitted to do so pending adherence to respectful rules and approval of fallen soldier’s family
    8. The White House and federal government are respecting the Freedom of Information Act
    9. Instructed all federal agencies to promote openness and transparency as much as possible
    10. Limits on lobbyist’s access to the White House
    11. Limits on White House aides working for lobbyists after their tenure in the administration
    12. Ended the previous stop-loss policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date
    13. Phasing out the expensive F-22 war plane and other outdated weapons systems, which weren’t even used or needed in Iraq/Afghanistan
    14. Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research
    15. Federal support for stem-cell and new biomedical research
    16. New federal funding for science and research labs
    17. States are permitted to enact federal fuel efficiency standards above federal standards
    18. Increased infrastructure spending (roads, bridges, power plants) after years of neglect
    19. Funds for high-speed, broadband Internet access to K-12 schools
    20. New funds for school construction
    21 The prison at Guantanamo Bay is being phased out
    22. US Auto industry rescue plan
    23. Housing rescue plan
    24. $789 billion economic stimulus plan
    25. The public can meet with federal housing insurers to refinance (the new plan can be completed in one day) a mortgage if they are having trouble paying
    26. US financial and banking rescue plan
    27. The secret detention facilities in Eastern Europe and elsewhere are being closed
    28. Ended the previous policy; the US now has a no torture policy and is in compliance with theGeneva Convention standards
    29. Better body armor is now being provided to our troops
    30. The missile defense program is being cut by $1.4 billion in 2010
    31. Restarted the nuclear nonproliferation talks and building back up the nuclear inspection infrastructure/protocols
    32. Reengaged in the treaties/agreements to protect the Antarctic
    33. Reengaged in the agreements/talks on global warming and greenhouse gas emissions
    34. Visited more countries and met with more world leaders than any president in his first six months in office
    35. Successful release of US captain held bySomali pirates; authorized the SEALS to do their job
    36. US Navy increasing patrols off Somali coast
    37. Attractive tax write-offs for those who buy hybrid automobiles
    38. Cash for clunkers program offers vouchers to trade in fuel inefficient, polluting old cars for new cars; stimulated auto sales
    39. Announced plans to purchase fuel efficient American-made fleet for the federal government
    40. Expanded the SCHIP program to cover health care for 4 million more children
    41. Signed national service legislation; expandednational youth service program
    42. Instituted a new policy on Cuba, allowing Cuban families to return home to visit loved ones
    43. Ended the previous policy of not regulating and labeling carbon dioxide emissions
    44. Expanding vaccination programs
    45. Immediate and efficient response to the floods in North Dakota and other natural disasters
    46. Closed offshore tax safe havens
    47. Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to permit US government to gain access to records of tax evaders and criminals
    48. Ended the previous policy of offering tax benefits to corporations who outsource American jobs; the new policy is to promote in-sourcing to bring jobs back
    49.. Ended the previous practice of protecting credit card companies; in place of it are new consumer protections from credit card industry’s predatory practices
    50. Energy producing plants must begin preparing to produce 15% of their energy from renewable sources
    51. Lower drug costs for seniors
    52. Ended the previous practice of forbidding Medicare from negotiating with drug manufacturers for cheaper drugs; the federal government is now realizing hundreds of millions in savings
    53. Increasing pay and benefits for military personnel
    54. Improved housing for military personnel
    55. Initiating a new policy to promote federal hiring of military spouses
    56. Improved conditions at Walter Reed Military Hospital and other military hospitals
    57 Increasing student loans
    58. Increasing opportunities in AmeriCorps program
    59. Sent envoys to Middle East and other parts of the world that had been neglected for years; reengaging in multilateral and bilateral talks and diplomacy
    60. Established a new cyber security office
    61. Beginning the process of reforming and restructuring the military 20 years after the Cold War to a more modern fighting force; this includes new procurement policies, increasing size of military, new technology and cyber units and operations, etc.
    62. Ended previous policy of awarding no-bid defense contracts
    63. Ordered a review of hurricane and natural disaster preparedness
    64. Established a National Performance Officer charged with saving the federal government money and making federal operations more efficient
    65. Students struggling to make college loan payments can have their loans refinanced
    66. Improving benefits for veterans
    67. Many more press conferences and town halls and much more media access than previous administration
    68. Instituted a new focus on mortgage fraud
    69. The FDA is now regulating tobacco
    70. Ended previous policy of cutting the FDA and circumventing FDA rules
    71. Ended previous practice of having White House aides rewrite scientific and environmental rules, regulations, and reports
    72. Authorized discussions with North Korea and private mission by Pres. Bill Clinton to secure the release of two Americans held in prisons
    73. Authorized discussions with Myanmar and mission by Sen. Jim Web to secure the release of an American held captive
    74. Making more loans available to small businesses
    75. Established independent commission to make recommendations on slowing the costs of Medicare
    76. Appointment of first Latina to the Supreme Court
    77. Authorized construction/opening of additional health centers to care for veterans
    78. Limited salaries of senior White House aides; cut to $100,000
    79. Renewed loan guarantees for Israel
    80. Changed the failing/status quo military command in Afghanistan
    81. Deployed additional troops to Afghanistan
    82. New Afghan War policy that limits aerial bombing and prioritizes aid, development of infrastructure, diplomacy, and good government practices by Afghans
    83. Announced the long-term development of a national energy grid with renewable sources and cleaner, efficient energy production
    84. Returned money authorized for refurbishment of White House offices and private living quarters
    85. Paid for redecoration of White House living quarters out of his own pocket
    86. Held first Seder in White House
    87. Attempting to reform the nation’s healthcare system which is the most expensive in the world yet leaves almost 50 million without health insurance and millions more under insured
    88. Has put the ball in play for comprehensive immigration reform
    89. Has announced his intention to push for energy reform
    90. Has announced his intention to push for education reform
    What link did you get that piece of BS from? Do you think that if Obama did what you posted that his approval ratings would be higher? Much of what you claim either didn't happen or were begun by Bush and none of it trumps the 25 plus million unemployed/under employed, 4.4 trillion added to the debt, declining labor force, rising misery index but apparently that doesn't matter to you. Notice a lot of intention to do this, authorized discussions to do that, ordered a review of this and that. Where are the concrete results that actually matter to the American people? You can fool some of the people all of the time and that would be the Obama base.

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    Re: Romney vs. Obama-Romney winning Independent Voters

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Independent voters are all over the map and not necessarily deeply conservative. If we want to look at how other candidates stack up against obama, we can refer to those specific polls instead of making the sort of assumption that you are making.
    Included in that poll are the comparison between Romney and Obama along with the other candidates. Why would anyone vote for another 4 years of this bs? I have posted the results over and over again only to be ignored. Guess rhetoric always trumps results in the Obama world.

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    Re: Romney vs. Obama-Romney winning Independent Voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What link did you get that piece of BS from? Do you think that if Obama did what you posted that his approval ratings would be higher? Much of what you claim either didn't happen or were begun by Bush and none of it trumps the 25 plus million unemployed/under employed, 4.4 trillion added to the debt, declining labor force, rising misery index but apparently that doesn't matter to you. Notice a lot of intention to do this, authorized discussions to do that, ordered a review of this and that. Where are the concrete results that actually matter to the American people? You can fool some of the people all of the time and that would be the Obama base.
    quite an impressive list, whether or not you want to give obama credit for anything(which you don't and won't, as he doesnt have an (R) next to his name. )

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