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Agreeing with Gingrich

Zyphlin said:
I didn't realize lpast was such an instrumental leader within the tea party movement that he was able to clearly and as if undisputable fact make procolomations of how the Tea Party as a whole views an individual politician or what their purpose is. You've got to give me your contacts sometimes lpast, you must know a ton of politicians if you're that plugged in.

I mean...because your procolomations were based off some kind of actual standing to be able to declare what the Tea Party thinks and isn't just you blowing **** out your ass...right?
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I pay attention..and in the beginning of this primary...teaparty LEADERS were calling for no RHINOs and specifically Romny and Gingrich were named.......articles like this one were abundant at the start of the primary with the far right had high hopes of a far right candidate...that has since been dashed..However, I do admit to using the term teaparty loosely to describe the far right faction of the republican party...surely you cant deny they have/or are trying to pull the gop to the right....

Group calls Gingrich 'liberal' in kitchen-sink email - POLITICO.com Print View

Heres some more for you :)


Newt Gingrich said some very un-conservative things today, and ruined his reputation by doing it. And he might never undo the damage.

Newt Gingrich is already in trouble with conservatives on several issues, including:

Immigration. NumbersUSA gives him a D minus. He has a “bad” record on limiting immigration overall and in ending “chain migration” (bringing the whole family in after you). On two-thirds of all immigration issues that NumbersUSA tracks, Newt Gingrich is “unhelpful.”
Morals. He served divorce papers on his wife while she was in the hospital taking a chemical cure for cancer, and he has never made it up with her or anyone likely to sympathize with her.

This latest talk cannot help. Most Tea Party activists want “ObamaCare” gone. Some are suing to make it go away, or supporting others who have sued. Every one of those lawsuits says that to do what Obama did, and what Newt Gingrich said today that he would do, is unconstitutional.

Newt Gingrich conservative no more - Conservative News and Views


Theres tons more out there...but im not going to spend any more time posting them....
 
conservativeguy said:
It always amusing reading the liberals interpretation of a movement they know nothing about other than what is fed to them by the idiots at Moron.org. or DailyKOSNuts.
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Im not a liberal...im just not a far right idiot..:) Like the Morons that take the drudge report and breibart and Limbaughs word as gospel...you know that very well Im sure...
 
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lpast said:
However, I do admit to using the term teaparty loosely to describe the far right faction of the republican party...surely you cant deny they have/or are trying to pull the gop to the right....
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And thus was my issue. For example your "proof" you posted doesn't reference the tea party but rather "Iowans for Christian Leaders in Government". No where within the "Contract From America" or any other over arching tea party document or statement is the need for "Christian leaders in government" presented as an issue let alone a primary goal. How about if you want to talk about the "far right", or even in this case the "religious right", you refer to them as that, as it would likely clear up the misunderstanding and confusion.
 
lpast said:
Im not a liberal...im just not a far right idiot..:) Like the Morons that take the drudge report and breibart and Limbaughs word as gospel...you know that very well Im sure...
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Oh... come on. You would even be regarded as a liberal down here. Moderates in NZ are not against globalization, that is a far left cause. They are not so supportive of organied labour like you are. And they don't hate their political opponents as much as you do.

What makes you a moderate?
 
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BossHogg said:
Many people do not like Newt because of his personality and his past wives. However, he is by far the smartest man in the race, is a true conservative, and is a good candidate. I think he should be the alternative to Romney, instead of Cain. Newt is the guy saying what conservatives want to hear, yet his poll numbers dont reflect that because many people dont like him.
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Newt is a thief, he has enriched himself at the taxpayers expense. He and others in congress who got "consulting" fees, or traded on insider information, need to be prosecuted, not elected.
 
Zyphlin said:
And thus was my issue. For example your "proof" you posted doesn't reference the tea party but rather "Iowans for Christian Leaders in Government". No where within the "Contract From America" or any other over arching tea party document or statement is the need for "Christian leaders in government" presented as an issue let alone a primary goal. How about if you want to talk about the "far right", or even in this case the "religious right", you refer to them as that, as it would likely clear up the misunderstanding and confusion.
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Nah I prefer to label it teaparty...if you dont mind of course...they are they are the cause of my angst...and their supported candidates are the ones stonewalling congress...for the rich...and I prefer to relate all far righers to the teaparty...and their supported govs attacked their public workers...so you will have to forgive my transgressions using the teaparty as an example.
 
lpast said:
I pay attention..and in the beginning of this primary...teaparty LEADERS were calling for no RHINOs and specifically Romny and Gingrich were named.......articles like this one were abundant at the start of the primary with the far right had high hopes of a far right candidate...that has since been dashed..However, I do admit to using the term teaparty loosely to describe the far right faction of the republican party...surely you cant deny they have/or are trying to pull the gop to the right....

Group calls Gingrich 'liberal' in kitchen-sink email - POLITICO.com Print View

Heres some more for you :)


Newt Gingrich said some very un-conservative things today, and ruined his reputation by doing it. And he might never undo the damage.

Newt Gingrich is already in trouble with conservatives on several issues, including:

Immigration. NumbersUSA gives him a D minus. He has a “bad” record on limiting immigration overall and in ending “chain migration” (bringing the whole family in after you). On two-thirds of all immigration issues that NumbersUSA tracks, Newt Gingrich is “unhelpful.”
Morals. He served divorce papers on his wife while she was in the hospital taking a chemical cure for cancer, and he has never made it up with her or anyone likely to sympathize with her.

This latest talk cannot help. Most Tea Party activists want “ObamaCare” gone. Some are suing to make it go away, or supporting others who have sued. Every one of those lawsuits says that to do what Obama did, and what Newt Gingrich said today that he would do, is unconstitutional.

Newt Gingrich conservative no more - Conservative News and Views


Theres tons more out there...but im not going to spend any more time posting them....
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Being an egomaniac with an incessant need to run his mouth, Gingrich has left a long record. As the press is now discovering, he's got a flip flopping problem that may equal Romney's. He was for health care mandates before he was against them. He was for supporting the Libyan rebels before he was against it (and then for it and then against it again). He was for addressing climate change before he was against it. Ahem....



*Cough!*



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlLZPo1M9dQ

Gingrich

Bottom line: Newt is phony as a three dollar bill.
 
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lpast said:
Nah I prefer to label it teaparty
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So you'd prefer to label it wrongly because...you dislike them.

At least it shows your true colors and purpose when discussing anything regarding the tea party. Objective thought and honest reasoning can be expected to be non-existant in those cases it seems. Thanks for making that obvious if nothing else.
 
poweRob said:
Hate this guy. I disagree with the other candidates but I actually hate this guy. Making this painful to say.

I agree with him on this:




That being said, he often says things to seem different then it blows up in his face and he runs for cover denying his previous statement... but for now in the temporary, I agree with him on something.
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Being able to admit to a failure, or mistake is a virtue, one the Obamanator is seemingly incapable of demonstrating. Voters know this, and although not often mentioned in political analysis, voters do know it, and sense it when they see it. has Obama ever said he was wrong about something.. Ever?


Tim-
 
Hicup said:
Being able to admit to a failure, or mistake is a virtue, one the Obamanator is seemingly incapable of demonstrating. Voters know this, and although not often mentioned in political analysis, voters do know it, and sense it when they see it. has Obama ever said he was wrong about something.. Ever?


Tim-
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Your partisan slip is showing...



It's always a massive risk using terms or using verbiage that implies always, never, forever, all... etc

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Toward the end of his first term, his predecessor George W. Bush famously said in answer to a question that he could not think of any mistakes he had made -- a comment which long dogged him as the U.S. overthrow of Saddam Hussein in 2003 led to chaos in Iraq.

When Obama was asked the same question on Monday, he was quicker on his feet.

"Oh, we make at least one mistake a day," he said with a smile.
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President Obama admitted Wednesday that he made mistakes in his economic recovery program, including not tackling the housing crisis aggressively enough, during the first Twitter town-hall event at the White House.
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These are page 1 results after googling "Obama admits mistake". Don't get so blinded by partisanship that you can't find your google.
 
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Hicup said:
Being able to admit to a failure, or mistake is a virtue, one the Obamanator is seemingly incapable of demonstrating. Voters know this, and although not often mentioned in political analysis, voters do know it, and sense it when they see it. has Obama ever said he was wrong about something.. Ever?


Tim-
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OK. I can forgive him.....but I won't vote for him. That is akin to letting the lifers run the prison....
Repentance means making restitution, so Newt has to return all his illgotten gains.
 
poweRob -
These are page 1 results after googling "Obama admits mistake". Don't get so blinded by partisanship that you can't find your google.
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Ah, so the good President, Mr. Obama admits to blatent, clear, unequivocal political mistakes.. Gotcha! All done, I might add, after weeks of close media scrutiny. Not to mention that he hung on to the very last moment. It's tantamount to admiting you made a mistake for knocking up susy rotten crotch only after the baby is born and the child support enforcment agency is garnishing your wages.. :)

President Obama admitted Wednesday that he made mistakes in his economic recovery program, including not tackling the housing crisis aggressively enough, during the first Twitter town-hall event at the White House.
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This one ranks up there under the definition of generic ambiguity.. You're going to have to try harder, poweRob.


Tim-
 
Hicup said:
poweRob -

Ah, so the good President, Mr. Obama admits to blatent, clear, unequivocal political mistakes.. Gotcha! All done, I might add, after weeks of close media scrutiny. Not to mention that he hung on to the very last moment. It's tantamount to admiting you made a mistake for knocking up susy rotten crotch only after the baby is born and the child support enforcment agency is garnishing your wages.. :)



This one ranks up there under the definition of generic ambiguity.. You're going to have to try harder, poweRob.


Tim-
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You're funny. It's a virtue except when the guy I don't like does it, in which case it is not.

Gotta love conservatives. Mental gymnastics the like of which the world has never seen.
 
whysoserious said:
You're funny. It's a virtue except when the guy I don't like does it, in which case it is not.

Gotta love conservatives. Mental gymnastics the like of which the world has never seen.
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It's a gift.. :)


Tim-
 
Hicup said:
It's a gift.. :)


Tim-
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can you take it back and exchange it for a larger size?
I did not vote for Obama, but I did not WANT to vote for McCain.....I could have voted for Romney and felt that the GOP had given us a good man to vote for, but the GOP crapped in its own nest again, just like when t hey chose Bush over McCain...
The conservative base, trust me, is NOT in charge. It isn't large enough to over come the liberals and independents.
Cons have to look less at the little issues, like abortion, gay marriage, etc and concentrate on getting our economy back on track.
It is JOBS that matter most....
 
UtahBill said:
can you take it back and exchange it for a larger size?
I did not vote for Obama, but I did not WANT to vote for McCain.....I could have voted for Romney and felt that the GOP had given us a good man to vote for, but the GOP crapped in its own nest again, just like when t hey chose Bush over McCain...
The conservative base, trust me, is NOT in charge. It isn't large enough to over come the liberals and independents.
Cons have to look less at the little issues, like abortion, gay marriage, etc and concentrate on getting our economy back on track.
It is JOBS that matter most....
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I agree, we need a government that thinks less is more. Certainly not Obama. Romney isn't a less is more kind of guy, and that's why the conservative base doesn't like him. Nothing personal, just ideology. Abortion, gay marriage et al are the least of most peoples concerns these days. The issue is the economy, and Obama has miffed that one up royally.


Tim-
 
Hicup said:
I agree, we need a government that thinks less is more. Certainly not Obama. Romney isn't a less is more kind of guy, and that's why the conservative base doesn't like him. Nothing personal, just ideology. Abortion, gay marriage et al are the least of most peoples concerns these days. The issue is the economy, and Obama has miffed that one up royally.


Tim-
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I assume you are referring to ObamaCare? You're in for a long road because I am willing to be that the number of people who want UHC in America will continue to rise. Admittedly, that's pure speculation.
 
whysoserious said:
I assume you are referring to ObamaCare? You're in for a long road because I am willing to be that the number of people who want UHC in America will continue to rise. Admittedly, that's pure speculation.
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Well I disagree. I think most people want to pay what Canadian's, European's, and African's pay for prescription drugs. I think they want affordable healthcare. Universal[/i] anything is bad, isn't it? Why would we want our healthcare to be universal? The people in the healthcare industry from top to bottom are not all equally qualified, or equally worthy of your business so why would we ever expect to uniformly hope to make something inherantly uneven, even? By wanting government run healthcare, you are essentially proposing that we move away from a capitalist system to one more communal in nature. It's seems odd that people would want this Obamacare. It seems as though people are too self absorbed to really, and truly see what making anything universal really means. Our distinctions, our innovations, our adaptability, are virtues. They are not crutches, or vices. We should never aim to embrace mediocrity, no matter how dire our individual position in life might be.


Tim-
 
whysoserious said:
I assume you are referring to ObamaCare? You're in for a long road because I am willing to be that the number of people who want UHC in America will continue to rise. Admittedly, that's pure speculation.
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I agree, most of those opposing it will change their minds quickly when screwed over by their insurance company and end up paying a buttload of money out of their own pockets.....
 
conservativeguy said:
It always amusing reading the liberals interpretation of a movement they know nothing about other than what is fed to them by the idiots at Moron.org. or DailyKOSNuts.
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Funny, I think the same thing when I hear a conservative talk about OWS.

Or literally every single time I hear Hannity/Limbaugh/Beck/etc explain what liberals think. "Liberals think..." "liberals want..." Every single time, without fail, that one of those idiots says this, I think to myself "Wait, I'm a liberal and I don't think that."

UtahBill said:
I agree, most of those opposing it will change their minds quickly when screwed over by their insurance company and end up paying a buttload of money out of their own pockets.....
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Yeah, if more Americans realized that we actually already have death panels, maybe they wouldn't freak out about the government being involved in health care. People who proclaim we have the "best healthcare system in the world" probably have had very little interaction with that system. Jesus Christ our insurance system is messed up. It's an industry that randomly denies claims for no reason at all, simply because they know a percentage of the population will not fight the denial. These companies have a direct financial advantage to find a reason not to help you. What's that? You didn't tell us that you got stitches for a cut six years ago? Incomplete medical history. Claim denied. Policy revoked. Thanks for all the premiums!
 
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danarhea said:
I agree. Gingrich is no dummy.

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I /liked this just because of the pic. Whether Gingrich is a dummy or not I don't know. I haven't really been keeping up with him or any of the nominee's this year as they all suck...imo.
 
poweRob said:
Well it'd help if your party stopped this ****...

Republicans Block Senate Bill Allowing Negotiating Better Prices on Medicare Drugs
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Hicup said:
Do you have the original language of the bill handy?



Tim-
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Hmm - I'm not quite sure which bill that is - there are actually several that currently have a similar title: "Medicare Prescription Drug Price Negotiation Act of 2007" and so on. . . and the further back you go in time the more you find.

But that was actually an amendment to an existing bill - and it doesn't even matter anymore because that was in 2007 when Bush was president - so that's just old news and no longer applies to our current Congress and Administration (from the linked-to article):

White House Says President Bush Would Veto Legislation Allowing Federal Government To Negotiate Medicare Prescription Drug Prices
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Hicup said:
I agree, we need a government that thinks less is more. Certainly not Obama. Romney isn't a less is more kind of guy, and that's why the conservative base doesn't like him. Nothing personal, just ideology. Abortion, gay marriage et al are the least of most peoples concerns these days. The issue is the economy, and Obama has miffed that one up royally.


Tim-
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It's totally impossible for anyone to make the statement that " Obama has miffed that one up royally". No one I know of could possibly know what the economy would be like if McCain or Clinton or anyone else was in the White House. President Obama has been shoveling s--t against the republican tide since he took office.
 
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