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Obama: A year to Election Day, numbers good and bad

CaptainCourtesy said:
Everything you just said can define most of the conservatives candidates to a tee. No leadership, divisive. etc... You're just being hypocritical when you attack one side for problems that are exhibited by both.

And my support for Obama is more based on the fact that as much of an idiot as he is, he is LESS of an idiot than most of the conservatives candidates. At least he seems to understand that economics is a two way street. The only conservative candidate worth anything is Romney, who, if he wins the nomination, has a good chance at getting my vote.
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Really, Romney, Huntsman, and Perry were Governors that actually managed a budget and personnel so where do you get the idea that they don't have experience? what experience did Obama have? He hasn't shown any leadership qualities now but does show that he is a community agitator.

Guess you have to define idiot for me because I cannot believe that any of the Republican candidates aren't as leftwing and so out of touch with the free enterprise, capitalistic economy as Obama.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Your wish is a based on the fallacy that a rightwing ideologue would solve any of our economic problems.
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We have seen Obamanomics and the results are there for all to see even though you ignore them. Obama had total control of the Congress for two years and part of that time a filibuster proof Senate and generated terrible results. He had his chance and we are 4.3 trillion more in debt, over two million fewer employed, and 25 million unemployed/under employed Americans. If you generated the results Obama has generated you would be fired in the private sector.
 
Conservative said:
Really, Romney, Huntsman, and Perry were Governors that actually managed a budget and personnel so where do you get the idea that they don't have experience? what experience did Obama have? He hasn't shown any leadership qualities now but does show that he is a community agitator.
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Just because people were governors does not mean that they were effective... or will be effective as President. These are two very different jobs. Watching how these guys are performing under the national spotlight gives us some indication of how they would perform as the leader of this country. Thus far, they have no impressed me.

Guess you have to define idiot for me because I cannot believe that any of the Republican candidates aren't as leftwing and so out of touch with the free enterprise, capitalistic economy as Obama.
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You define "idiot" as left wing ideologue. I define "idiot" as ANY ideologue, rightwing included. That's the difference between us. I am against any kind of extremism. You are ok with extremism if it matches your partisanship... even though it is just as idiotic as what you fight against.
 
Conservative said:
We have seen Obamanomics and the results are there for all to see even though you ignore them. Obama had total control of the Congress for two years and part of that time a filibuster proof Senate and generated terrible results. He had his chance and we are 4.3 trillion more in debt, over two million fewer employed, and 25 million unemployed/under employed Americans. If you generated the results Obama has generated you would be fired in the private sector.
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Most of the time I ignore all of your stats because they always ignore the big picture and therefore are irrelevant. This is one of those times.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Just because people were governors does not mean that they were effective... or will be effective as President. These are two very different jobs. Watching how these guys are performing under the national spotlight gives us some indication of how they would perform as the leader of this country. Thus far, they have no impressed me.



You define "idiot" as left wing ideologue. I define "idiot" as ANY ideologue, rightwing included. That's the difference between us. I am against any kind of extremism. You are ok with extremism if it matches your partisanship... even though it is just as idiotic as what you fight against.
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So you don't see Obama as a leftwing extremist? Why would you support a leftwing extremists vs. someone who believes in free enterprise and capitalism which the Republican candidates all believe? Where is there an example of Obama promoting free enterprise and the private sector?
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Most of the time I ignore all of your stats because they always ignore the big picture and therefore are irrelevant. This is one of those times.
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Then be the first one to give me the big picture that those stats ignore and thus are irrelevant? you don't believe spending over a trillion dollars to have more unemployed and under employed today than when he took office is relevant? You don't think the drop in labor force with a growing population is relevant? You don't believe millions dropping out of the labor force is relevant?
 
Conservative said:
So you don't see Obama as a leftwing extremist? Why would you support a leftwing extremists vs. someone who believes in free enterprise and capitalism which the Republican candidates all believe? Where is there an example of Obama promoting free enterprise and the private sector?
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As you like to say, look at the results. Under Obama corporate profits are through the roof.
 
Conservative said:
So you don't see Obama as a leftwing extremist?
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Do you EVER respond to what people say as opposed to what you want people to say? Please post where I said that I don't see Obama as a leftwing extremist.

Why would you support a leftwing extremists vs. someone who believes in free enterprise and capitalism which the Republican candidates all believe?
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Let's see... first you state something that I neither said nor claimed... that's either dishonest debating, a strawman, or both, THEN you go on to use the false dichotomy logical fallacy, and finally, you equivocate definitions. Impressive. Three logical fallacies in one sentence. In other words, your sentence makes no sense, is not pertinent to what we are discussing, and is therefore irrelevant.

Where is there an example of Obama promoting free enterprise and the private sector?
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I know Conservative. You don't like Obama. So, tell me. If I find ONE example of Obama promoting free enterprise in the private sector, what will you do?
 
Conservative said:
Then be the first one to give me the big picture that those stats ignore and thus are irrelevant? you don't believe spending over a trillion dollars to have more unemployed and under employed today than when he took office is relevant? You don't think the drop in labor force with a growing population is relevant? You don't believe millions dropping out of the labor force is relevant?
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No, I'm certain that you don't know what you are talking about. The big picture is that the deficit is the fault of every President since Martin Van Buren and your inability to see this and your short-sightedness, blinded by your partisan hatred of anything that isn't extreme right wing prevents you from seeing it. The deficit didn't appear overnight, and it didn't magically appear on Obama's watch. It's been there, added to by Obama, Bush II, Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, Carter, etc... That's the big picture, the one that you are unable to see and refuse to admit, even though it is as real as the nose on your face.
 
AdamT said:
As you like to say, look at the results. Under Obama corporate profits are through the roof.
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Thank you. Now, Conservative... someone has proven that under Obama, free enterprise and the private sector has been promoted. What are you going to do?
 
CaptainCourtesy;1059937993]Do you EVER respond to what people say as opposed to what you want people to say? Please post where I said that I don't see Obama as a leftwing extremist.
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You didn't make this statement?
You define "idiot" as left wing ideologue. I define "idiot" as ANY ideologue, rightwing included. That's the difference between us. I am against any kind of extremism.
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Why would you support an extremist then on either side?

Let's see... first you state something that I neither said nor claimed... that's either dishonest debating, a strawman, or both, THEN you go on to use the false dichotomy logical fallacy, and finally, you equivocate definitions. Impressive. Three logical fallacies in one sentence. In other words, your sentence makes no sense, is not pertinent to what we are discussing, and is therefore irrelevant.
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Results matter and that is what I base my decisions on including how those results were generated


I know Conservative. You don't like Obama. So, tell me. If I find ONE example of Obama promoting free enterprise in the private sector, what will you do?
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See above, results matter not rhetoric. If you find one example that doesn't trump the many others that demonize private sector and then there are those pesky little results that you have yet to explain how they are irrelevant
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Thank you. Now, Conservative... someone has proven that under Obama, free enterprise and the private sector has been promoted. What are you going to do?
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Sorry but record profits don't show Obama has been pro private sector because private sector has made record profits in spite of Obama. What policies has Obama promoted that has led to these record profits? How about policies that discourage employers to hire people? Cut payroll costs and you increase bottomline profits. Businesses are making more with less and don't see economic growth thus the need to hire new people.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
No, I'm certain that you don't know what you are talking about. The big picture is that the deficit is the fault of every President since Martin Van Buren and your inability to see this and your short-sightedness, blinded by your partisan hatred of anything that isn't extreme right wing prevents you from seeing it. The deficit didn't appear overnight, and it didn't magically appear on Obama's watch. It's been there, added to by Obama, Bush II, Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, Carter, etc... That's the big picture, the one that you are unable to see and refuse to admit, even though it is as real as the nose on your face.
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No, the DEBT is the responsibility of every President in history, the deficits are yearly and the responsibility of both the (current)Congress and the President. The deficits never appear over night, they are the result of spending too much and having too little revenue in the current budget. I would have thought someone of your superior intelligence would have known the difference between the deficit and debt.
 
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One of the reasons business, especially the small businesses that do most of the hiring aren't hiring people. Those that claim Obama has been pro business are out of touch with reality and focus only on the large corporations not the small local businesses that are being hit hard by Obama regulations and attempts to redistribute wealth.

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So called conservatives are praying for Republican lawmakers to do everything in their power to stymie economic recovery. Come election time voters will remember them as the do nothing obstructionist party.
 
Rough Rider said:
So called conservatives are praying for Republican lawmakers to do everything in their power to stymie economic recovery. Come election time voters will remember them as the do nothing obstructionist party.
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Define exactly what Obama has proposed and your definition of economic development? Do you believe massive expansion of the Federal Govt. promotes economic expansion? How is that expansion funded? I hope that people will remember who stood up for the American people and who stood up for the expansion of the Federal Govt.
 
Rough Rider said:
So called conservatives are praying for Republican lawmakers to do everything in their power to stymie economic recovery. Come election time voters will remember them as the do nothing obstructionist party.
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I think every month obamas chance to be reelected improves slightly....this may turn out to be the biggest fail of the gop party ever...via their minority teaparty far right contingency.
 
lpast said:
I think every month obamas chance to be reelected improves slightly....this may turn out to be the biggest fail of the gop party ever...via their minority teaparty far right contingency.
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Are you ever going to address the Obama results or do you simply feel instead of think? Why would anyone other than a leftwing ideologue support what Obama is doing?
 
Conservative said:
Are you ever going to address the Obama results or do you simply feel instead of think? Why would anyone other than a leftwing ideologue support what Obama is doing?
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Obama can't do anything w/o boners approval. The 2012 election will be a referendum on the failed economic policies of boner/canter.
 
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Conservative said:
Define exactly what Obama has proposed and your definition of economic development? Do you believe massive expansion of the Federal Govt. promotes economic expansion? How is that expansion funded? I hope that people will remember who stood up for the American people and who stood up for the expansion of the Federal Govt.
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Americans will remember that Republicans have done absolutely nothing to help average working families. They will remember that Republicans offer them nothing but talk.
 
Rough Rider said:
Americans will remember that Republicans have done absolutely nothing to help average working families. They will remember that Republicans offer them nothing but talk.
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And what exactly has Obama done to help working families? Looks to me like there are more unemployed families today than when he took office so he has fewer to help.
 
99percenter said:
Obama can't don anything w/o boners approval. The 2012 election will be a referendum on the failed economic policies of boner/canter.
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So did Obama just take office in January 2011? What did Obama accomplish during the two years he had TOTAL control of Congress and the WH? When did Bush have the overwhelming numbers that Obama had?
 
lpast said:
I think every month obamas chance to be reelected improves slightly....this may turn out to be the biggest fail of the gop party ever...via their minority teaparty far right contingency.
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The fair and balanced folks have tried everything they can think of to delegitimize this presidency; pulled out all the stops on their little propaganda campaign. But for some reason they just can't seem to gain any real traction with the majority of voters. I guess its just unfortunate for so called conservatives that more Americans aren't so easily manipuated with obviously blatant lies.
 
99percenter said:
Obama can't don anything w/o boners approval. The 2012 election will be a referendum on the failed economic policies of boner/canter.
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Too bad Boner's not a real leader; he needs permission from the Tea Party to do or say anything.
 
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