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Hillary obliterates GOP field

DarkWizard12 said:
I didn't say THAT. In fact, the opposite because there wasn't an even playing field. I just said Hillary would have won. Soo...
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I didn't say you did and didn't quote the poster in any case.
 
haymarket said:
I was on record here months ago stating that the strongest possibility for a Democratic win in 2012 was for Obama to announce he is NOT running and to have Clinton step in. This only confirms my assessment of that situation. Of course, that is NOT going to happen now.

But it should.
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With all due respect you were wrong back then, there was no reason why Obama should have bowed out back then. I actually thought you were being tongue-in-cheek. And this poll confirms nothing, its very possible that if Hillary won the election, a polls today might show Obama doing better than Hillary.
 
Camlon said:
Well, sucks for the left that you are stuck with Obama. :lol:
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It seems as if many on the left would abandon Obama in a minute if there was another viable democratic candidate. All the support and puffiness they have shown in DP appears to be hollow now based on the reaction to this poll showing Hillary as the democrat's current choice for president.

Gee, I though they rejected her in '08?

I guess Obama fooled his base after all.

Does anyone see the irony?
 
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1059912892 said:
It seems as if many on the left would abandon Obama in a minute if there was another viable democratic candidate. All the support and puffiness they have shown in DP appears to be hollow now based on the reaction showing to this poll showing Hillary as their current choice.

Gee, I though they rejected her in '08?

I guess Obama fooled his base after all.

Does anyone see the irony?
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In a word, no!
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
How do you figure that? Hillary had the advantage in the 2008 primaries, it was a very close race between her and Obama back in 2007 - 2008. Obama simply out campaigned her at the time. I have no doubt in my mind that the hard core right wingers would have hated Hillary had she been elected every bit as much as they hate Obama. One only has to look back to the 90s to see that. Back when Clinton was in office by every single economic measure the country was in the best shape it had ever been in, he had the highest approval ratings of any president since FDR, yet the right wingers were accusing him and Hillary of being murderers, coke dealers, selling plots at the national cemetery, and all kinds of other nut job conspiracy theories. In many ways Obama has had it easy compared to how rabid the right wing was with the Clintons back in the 90s.
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Not hard to figure...senator Hillary was a bitter shrill devisive person. Obama was...black. He gave a few good speeches but otherwise had absolutely zero credentials. In no other race would someone like Obama have won had he been...not black. SInce he has been elected he has shown himself to be not a uniter, not a leader, and as per the Cong Black Caucus, a failure as a black president. Hillary on the other hand has been insulated from the political game and has held herself out to be a pretty effective statesman. I think Hilary would in fact win in a landslide. For the record...I said then, still say today...I would have rather had a president Hillary over a pres Obama or McCain any day of the week and would have voted for her had she been a candidate.

And lest anyone think this is someone trying to stir up stuff before the election...I have said and still believe Obama will win. I also believe that sometime before 2014, Hillary will replace Biden and will be fast tracked to the presidency in 2016.
 
pbrauer said:
With all due respect you were wrong back then, there was no reason why Obama should have bowed out back then. I actually thought you were being tongue-in-cheek. And this poll confirms nothing, its very possible that if Hillary won the election, a polls today might show Obama doing better than Hillary.
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And returning your respect my friend, I dearly hope you are right pb... really do. I think I was correct.... but time will tell. If Obama is the nominee I will support him and do what I can. However, I do think that Clinton would be the stronger candidate in 2012.

But I guess you leave the dance with them that brung you as the saying goes. ;)
 
Objective Voice said:
I disagree with your statement in bold. Hillary still lacked foreign policy experience, but now that she's been Secretary of State she's grown by leaps and bounds above all but one person in helping to shape foreign policy - the President himself. Would she make a formidable opponent to Pres. Obama for 2012? Absolutely! But to my knowledge, no party has ever put forward a challenger candidate from within their own party to go up against their own incumbant.

As for the state of the economy if Hillary were President and not Obama, I doubt it. The GOP didn't like her as FLOTUS nor did they appreciate it when she became a NY Senator. Now that she's in what many consider to be the 3rd ranking most poweful position behind the President himself (VP would be 2nd), she's even more of a threat to the GOP.

I make these assessment to illustrate this point: The GOP would attack Hillary just as venomously as they're attacking Obama and would have attempted to thrawt her every move just as they're attempting to do with Obama. There really wouldn't have been much of a difference in the economy regardless of which Democrat was in the White House under the current political climate.
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I think you're right, but... I think Hillary would have fought back more, and who knows what affect that would have had.
 
Gina said:
I have to agree with those posts I LIKED. How incredible that some here are overlooking the vitriol Hillary endured since 1992, beginning with HillaryCare. The right wing pundits and radio personalities have been hammering away on her for decades. Sean Hannity used to issue this plea for years leading up to her loss of the nomination in 2008, "Let us please not wake up to find President Hillary Clinton". How anyone could say with a straight face that "we wouldn't have this level of animosity" is to utterly blank from one's mind the years of hateful, disgusting rhetoric directed at Hillary since she was First Lady.
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Maybe the opposition beat up Hillary no different than the left beating up Palin. But getting past all that, it was the Dem's that ended up throwing Hillary under the bus. And they have only themselves to blame for that.
 
pbrauer said:
With all due respect you were wrong back then, there was no reason why Obama should have bowed out back then. I actually thought you were being tongue-in-cheek. And this poll confirms nothing, its very possible that if Hillary won the election, a polls today might show Obama doing better than Hillary.
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I see you want to vote for four more yrs of continued failure.
 
Born Free said:
Maybe the opposition beat up Hillary no different than the left beating up Palin. But getting past all that, it was the Dem's that ended up throwing Hillary under the bus. And they have only themselves to blame for that.
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You are comparing a dime to a dollar by comparing Palin to Hillary. Palin has shown herself time and time again to be nothing more but white trash with some money and a microphone.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
You are comparing a dime to a dollar by comparing Palin to Hillary. Palin has shown herself time and time again to be nothing more but white trash with some money and a microphone.
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and Hillary is one of those disgusting elitists who presumes she is smarter than everyone else and ought to tell them how to run their lives even though she flunked the DC bar
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
You are comparing a dime to a dollar by comparing Palin to Hillary. Palin has shown herself time and time again to be nothing more but white trash with some money and a microphone.
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Point remains that the Democrats threw Hillary under the bus. The revisionist wistfulness is pretty ironic here.
 
nota bene said:
Point remains that the Democrats threw Hillary under the bus. The revisionist wistfulness is pretty ironic here.
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The guilty white vote did her in
 
Maybe so. I'm just shaking my head at the revisionism.
 
lpast said:
Would the economy be any better with hillary...who knows...
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I supported Hillary. My first choice over any other candidate.

Assuming she could bring in the same economic people that her husband had, the economy would be better. It was good then.
 
Hillary would beat Obama today. In 10 months when she has had to campaign on empty promises and $10,000 a plate corporate events she be back even with Obama around 40%.
 
I can't help but wonder if it's because she hasn't had the scrutiny. Kind of like the hard-on people had for Perry at first, until they saw him debate.
 
lpast said:
we wouldnt have the level of animosity permeating DC that we have now.
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Sure we would have. Instead of hating the black guy.....they would have attacked her for being a woman and because they couldn't stand the successes of Bill.....it would have been no different with the "No" crowd.
 
AdamT said:
According to a recent poll, Hillary would woop Romney by 17% and she would beat Cain and Perry by 22% and 26% respectively.

Hillary Clinton Fares Better Than Obama In Matchups Against GOP Frontrunners: Poll

Of course it's sort of like speculating about Christie, because Hillary ain't running. It's also a bit like Perry and Cain -- the grass is always greener effect.
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Hilary has be the defacto co-President, handling all foreign policy matters. Helping clean up W. mess around the world.

She is 'running' as a key part of the Obama team.

A vote for Obama is vote for Hilary. She will do some heavy campaigning for him next year.

4 MORE YEARS!! 4 MORE YEARS!! 4 MORE YEARS!!

And before you far-righties start with your inane comments, get you facts straight. W. left us with -9% growth. Obama has brought us back to +2%. He saved the country.
 
rocket88 said:
I can't help but wonder if it's because she hasn't had the scrutiny. Kind of like the hard-on people had for Perry at first, until they saw him debate.
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I think part of it has nothing really to do with her at all, but rather a subconscious mindset of the average American voter where the candidate that is NOT available is more attractive than the ones who are available. I think this is a result of people's deep seated frustration with the status quo and desiring better choices. Now, if she were to suddenly declare her candidacy, within a month the polls would shake down to something more real.

Regarding 2008: Hillary had political baggage at that time whereas Obama did not. Now he does, and if they were both running now, I'm not so sure she would lose the nomination.
 
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disneydude said:
Sure we would have. Instead of hating the black guy.....they would have attacked her for being a woman and because they couldn't stand the successes of Bill.....it would have been no different with the "No" crowd.
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They're just butt hurt over the failure of the 'Permanent Majority' they were promised...:lol:
 
My right-of-Rush-Limbaugh cousin believes that GOP field is a giant FAIL and that Obama's re-election is given (unless the TP breaks away from the GOP and runs a candidate acceptable to both them and the Libertarians.)

He suggested something that was startling coming from him: Obama should tap Bill Clinton for the VP spot and put him in charge of turning the economy around. He thought is that B. Clinton knows far more about how to manage the economy that Obama and would not "stimulate the country into ruin".
 
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