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Herman Cain Koch?

cpwill said:
9-9-9 is getting positive feedback from some pretty serious conservative luminaries; Paul Ryan, Art Laffer, Larry Kudlow... those are not small names to be tossing around.

when democrats stop supporting their own people who are connected to George Soros, I'll take them seriously when they complain about the Koch's.
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Let us know when you find Soros supports lower taxes on the rich. On the other hand, Koch funded AFP is all about lower taxes on the rich.
 
cpwill said:
9-9-9 is getting positive feedback from some pretty serious conservative luminaries; Paul Ryan, Art Laffer, Larry Kudlow... those are not small names to be tossing around.

when democrats stop supporting their own people who are connected to George Soros, I'll take them seriously when they complain about the Koch's.
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The Kochs are not foreign scumbags intent on destroying the USA as Soros is

they aren't convicted felons either
 
pbrauer said:
Let us know when you find Soros supports lower taxes on the rich. On the other hand, Koch funded AFP is all about lower taxes on the rich.
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the rich pay too much of the tax bill

that has encouraged too many people to demand too much government causing a too high deficit
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
This is like how Soros is in control of the OWS protests.
Left and right need to chill with their conspiracy theories. :roll:
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Oh what little they know. It is the underpants gnomes that are pulling the strings!

 
apdst said:
No, the Left did not put Obama in office. "The Left", only describes about 20% of the electorate.
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I am sure you can document this claim...
 
Im not sure why we are having this rediculous argument. Taxes and regulation levied upon products and services make those products and services cost more to consumers. That is the bottom line. The 9-9-9 plan will simply make those costs easier to predict and plan for and avoid many of the pitfalls of tax avoidance and hiding taxes globally.

It makes the tax contribution more transparent and upfront. We are paying it one way or the other if you examine costs. Its stupid to think otherwise.
 
apdst said:
When states, parishes and cities implement sales taxes, did it kill jobs?

What the 9-9-9 plan will do, is put more money in the pockets of the private sector. I just can't believe how many people think that is a bad idea.
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How? How would creating what effectively will become a double-tax on many consumers across the country by virtue of his national sales tax releives the tax burden on those consumers? What makes you think any soverign state will abolish their sales tax in favor of a government-controlled tax policy on consumption? Keep in mind, this national sales tax would only come into affect if states abdicate their rights to the government.

You may think they already do by virtue of the excise tax on gas and tobacco products, but those such commodities fall under interstate commerce. Not all food supplies and consumer goods fall within the larger definition of interstate commerce. So, how exactly do you suppose he'll be able to implement this portion of his tax policy?
 
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AdamT said:
Cain also said that he's never heard of the neoconservative movement. Is he lying, or is he really THAT ignorant?
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Is there a difference between six and half-a-dozen?

I betcha Cain has never heard of ALEC either.
 
apdst said:
If people and businesses start moving away to states with lower taxes and the tax base in high tax states shrinks, they will. They'll be forced to do so.
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Wow! That's a great idea for job growth...

Eliminate collective bargaining rights and turn every state into "right-to-work" states, then let's tax the states - or "double-tax" those states that already pay a state sales tax - and run more people out of those states that didn't have a state sales tax to begin with and impose a larger tax burdern on those states that do.

That's real clever of Herman Cain...real clever indeed.

I have two things to say about Herman Cain's new tax policy:

1) "9-9-9" does nothing except give tax relief to the wealthy and apply a double-sales tax on most states, if he can get his tax policy through Congress.

2) By his own admission implements, his consumption tax is nothing more than a "Thrift-Store Sales Tax" on the poor and the middle-class.

The 9-9-9 plan would replace the complex U.S. tax code with a 9 percent income tax, a 9 percent corporate tax and a new 9 percent national sales tax.

"Who would pay more? The people who spend more money on new goods. The sales tax only applies to people who buy new goods, not used goods. That's a big difference," Cain told NBC (on Meet the Press).
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From his own lips, ladies and gentlemen. Voters beware...if you can't afford to buy new, you better start hitting up yard sales or the clearance racks at your local retail store or get into Extreme Couponing because under Cain's tax plan the only way to avoid paying the higher sales tax rate is to never buy anything new. Start accepting the fact that you'll have to accept your father's old tools or for you ladies your moms old dresses. Better yet, make your own! But you can't 'cause you'll get taxed on the new material.

This man's tax plan is a joke!!!
 
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Objective Voice said:
How? How would creating what effectively will become a double-tax on many consumers across the country by virtue of his national sales tax releives the tax burden on those consumers? What makes you think any soverign state will abolish their sales tax in favor of a government-controlled tax policy on consumption? Keep in mind, this national sales tax would only come into affect if states abdicate their rights to the government.

You may think they already do by virtue of the excise tax on gas and tobacco products, but those such commodities fall under interstate commerce. Not all food supplies and consumer goods fall within the larger definition of interstate commerce. So, how exactly do you suppose he'll be able to implement this portion of his tax policy?
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Like you say, petroleum and cigarettes are already double taxed. So are tires, trailers, and trucks. Vehicles are taxed to all hell. Speaking as a truck driver, I would love to not get double taxed anymore.
 
haymarket said:
Absolutely - do provide the verifiable information on your claim.
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I figgered ya'll already knew this information and that's why I asked if I really needed to post it, but hey...you asked for it...you got it.

Conservatives have maintained their leading position among U.S. ideological groups in the first half of 2010. Gallup finds 42% of Americans describing themselves as either very conservative or conservative. This is up slightly from the 40% seen for all of 2009 and contrasts with the 20% calling themselves liberal or very liberal.

In 2010, Conservatives Still Outnumber Moderates, Liberals
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Objective Voice said:
Wow! That's a great idea for job growth...

Eliminate collective bargaining rights and turn every state into "right-to-work" states, then let's tax the states - or "double-tax" those states that already pay a state sales tax - and run more people out of those states that didn't have a state sales tax to begin with and impose a larger tax burdern on those states that do.

That's real clever of Herman Cain...real clever indeed.

I have two things to say about Herman Cain's new tax policy:

1) "9-9-9" does nothing except give tax relief to the wealthy and apply a double-sales tax on most states, if he can get his tax policy through Congress.

2) By his own admission implements, his consumption tax is nothing more than a "Thrift-Store Sales Tax" on the poor and the middle-class.

"Who would pay more? The people who spend more money on new goods. The sales tax only applies to people who buy new goods, not used goods. That's a big difference," Cain told NBC (on Meet the Press).

From his own lips, ladies and gentlemen. Voters beware...if you can't afford to buy new, you better start hitting up yard sales or the clearance racks at your local retail store or get into Extreme Couponing because under Cain's tax plan the only way to avoid paying the higher sales tax rate is to never buy anything new. Start accepting the fact that you'll have to accept your father's old tools or for you ladies your moms old dresses. Better yet, make your own! But you can't 'cause you'll get taxed on the new material.

This man's tax plan is a joke!!!
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Compared to the current tax system, which is ****in awesome. Huh?
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apdst said:
Like you say, petroleum and cigarettes are already double taxed. So are tires, trailers, and trucks. Vehicles are taxed to all hell. Speaking as a truck driver, I would love to not get double taxed anymore.
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So, you increase the federal excise tax on those products...

Ooops! Wait a minute....

Hasn't that already happened? I recall another poster attempting to call me on the matt on this because I made the accurate claim that the President's tax policy has yet to impose a new tax directly on individuals, just increase a common consuption (federal excise) tax.

Do you really believe the states or the People will accept being taxes yet again should Herman Cain win his party's nomination?

Think this one through, apdst.
 
Objective Voice said:
Wow! That's a great idea for job growth...

Eliminate collective bargaining rights and turn every state into "right-to-work" states, then let's tax the states - or "double-tax" those states that already pay a state sales tax - and run more people out of those states that didn't have a state sales tax to begin with and impose a larger tax burdern on those states that do.

That's real clever of Herman Cain...real clever indeed.

I have two things to say about Herman Cain's new tax policy:

1) "9-9-9" does nothing except give tax relief to the wealthy and apply a double-sales tax on most states, if he can get his tax policy through Congress.

2) By his own admission implements, his consumption tax is nothing more than a "Thrift-Store Sales Tax" on the poor and the middle-class.

"Who would pay more? The people who spend more money on new goods. The sales tax only applies to people who buy new goods, not used goods. That's a big difference," Cain told NBC (on Meet the Press).

From his own lips, ladies and gentlemen. Voters beware...if you can't afford to buy new, you better start hitting up yard sales or the clearance racks at your local retail store or get into Extreme Couponing because under Cain's tax plan the only way to avoid paying the higher sales tax rate is to never buy anything new. Start accepting the fact that you'll have to accept your father's old tools or for you ladies your moms old dresses. Better yet, make your own! But you can't 'cause you'll get taxed on the new material.

This man's tax plan is a joke!!!
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Compared to the current tax system, which is ****in awesome. Huh?
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apdst said:
Compared to the current tax system, which is ****in awesome. Huh?
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Which is exactly why the President has been calling on Congress to work with him to change it. But have they (Republicans and to a lessor decress some Bluedog Democrats) given him the assistance he has called for? Have they been willing to compromise with him at all on tax policy? Remember what I suggested to you previously concerning the 2010 midterm elections and how if Republicans had let the Bush tax cuts expire as the President had proposed, investor and consumer confidence would have been established over 18-months ago.
 
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apdst said:
I figgered ya'll already knew this information and that's why I asked if I really needed to post it, but hey...you asked for it...you got it.
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go back and read your statement which I and others including redress challenged. here it is for you

No, the Left did not put Obama in office. "The Left", only describes about 20% of the electorate.
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So if Obama got 53% of the vote and the moderates make up only a fraction of that, so who did supply the rest to get Obama elected if the left did not do so? According to YOUR SOURCE - Gallup - only 36% of people were moderates in 2008. So where did all the rest of the votes come from to elect Obama?

Clue: it was not on the only other group surveyed - conservatives.
 
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AdamT said:
Cain also said that he's never heard of the neoconservative movement. Is he lying, or is he really THAT ignorant?
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Many politicians haven't. Furthermore, let's be honest. Gregory knew a quarter of what he thought he knew about the neoconservatives.
 
Objective Voice said:
Which is exactly why the President has been calling on Congress to work with him to change it. But have they (Republicans and to a lessor decress some Bluedog Democrats) given him the assistance he has called for? Have they been willing to compromise with him at all on tax policy? Remember what I suggested to you previously concerning the 2010 midterm elections and how if Republicans had let the Bush tax cuts expire as the President had proposed, investor and consumer confidence would have been established over 18-months ago.
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Change it? ALl he wants to do is raise taxes and cut out so called, "loopholes", which will cost everyone alot more than 9%.

I think ultimately, the reason some folks don't like Herman Cain's tax plan, is because it doesn't screw over the rich, enough.
 
apdst said:
I think ultimately, the reason some folks don't like Herman Cain's tax plan, is because it doesn't screw over the rich, enough.
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You finally may have the hint of a real thought there. No just add to it that the folks it does screw over - the middle class - and you have something.
 
haymarket said:
You finally may have the hint of a real thought there. No just add to it that the folks it does screw over - the middle class - and you have something.
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Enbding the Bush tax cuts will screw the middle class, too. You don't seem to be bothered by that very much.
 
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