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Obamacare Based Off Romneycare - MIT Professor

I don't understand why Romneycare is acceptable because it's on the state level, while the main beef with Obamacare is that the government is mandating a product. Why does it make a difference if the state government is making you buy something instead of the federal government? Isn't the logic the exact same?
 
Bardo said:
I don't understand why Romneycare is acceptable because it's on the state level, while the main beef with Obamacare is that the government is mandating a product. Why does it make a difference if the state government is making you buy something instead of the federal government? Isn't the logic the exact same?
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the Constitution gives wide authority to the States and very restricted authority to the Federal Government.

the logic is the same. the Constitutionality is not.
 
cpwill said:
the logic is the same. the Constitutionality is not.
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I generally agree with this.

Though I'd be running in my pajamas out of any state that mandated such a thing anyway.

Though I am for universal healthcare, I don't have to sign up for it if I don't want to, and private supplement plans are also available if I so choose up here.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I generally agree with this.

Though I'd be running in my pajamas out of any state that mandated such a thing anyway.
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that's supposed to be the beauty of federalism. then we nationalize everything and you can't run anywhere. :(
 
Bardo said:
I don't understand why Romneycare is acceptable because it's on the state level, while the main beef with Obamacare is that the government is mandating a product. Why does it make a difference if the state government is making you buy something instead of the federal government? Isn't the logic the exact same?
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Both scenarios are dead wrong, government at any level can't force individuals to participate in the commerce of their choosing.
 
Was not aware, Thanks for the info, still think that either scenario is a complete overreach of federal authority.
 
Hare said:
Was not aware, Thanks for the info, still think that either scenario is a complete overreach of federal authority.
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That will be up to the SC to decide.

But that is not going to help Romney with his more conservative base before the GOP primary election.
 
Bardo said:
I don't understand why Romneycare is acceptable because it's on the state level, while the main beef with Obamacare is that the government is mandating a product. Why does it make a difference if the state government is making you buy something instead of the federal government? Isn't the logic the exact same?
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Wait...you really dont know? Im a big fan of med care and reform...at a state level. Might have something to do with a federal government that is 15.5 trillion in debt, or with a fed that cant even control its own crime fighting operations, or the fact that it is not the federal governments job and has no constitutional bearing...could be LOTS of reason that have nothing to do with party or the race of the current CiC. Romneycare is a sate program. If Mississippi wants to pass a state wide health care mandate that is an issue for the citizens of Mississippi. It is for the citizens of Mississippi and their responsibility to elect representation and to find a way to pay for the healthcare plan of their chosing. State and local control good. State and local responsibility good. Federal control bloated, irresponsible, mismanaged...bad.
 
Thunder said:
cause he is your ONLY hope of getting a GOPer in the White House in 2012.
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IF I want a Gopper like that, I'll vote for Obama! At least i can live with myself if i vote for someone i like and he loses. This someone that does not deserve to be within spitting distance of the white house. Obama can be predicted, but Romney? I really have no idea if he is more conservative than obama, or farther to the left! No thank you, better the tea party is true to itself and stays out of the election, or endorses Obama over Romney.
 
Hare said:
Was not aware, Thanks for the info, still think that either scenario is a complete overreach of federal authority.
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Apparently the Founding Fathers thought different. I think I'll go with their interpretation.
 
Eh, considering that the Founders were inaugurating all said males into the militia - this was a draft measure, not a commerce one. I'm still thinking this doesn't pass the Supremes.
 
cpwill said:
Eh, considering that the Founders were inaugurating all said males into the militia - this was a draft measure, not a commerce one. I'm still thinking this doesn't pass the Supremes.
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How do you think this will affect Romney's chances in the primary coming up in a couple months?
 
AdamT said:
Apparently the Founding Fathers thought different. I think I'll go with their interpretation.
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It's a slippery slope when you let the government decide what's best for you, apparently you want someone to do your thinking for you.
 
Catawba said:
How do you think this will affect Romney's chances in the primary coming up in a couple months?
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Obamney Care? I would say it's one of two (and probably the lead of those two) reasons why he currently maxes out at 25-30% of the Republican Party. His only hope is that Cain and Perry drag each other down enough that he can with with a plurality.
 
VanceMack said:
Wait...you really dont know? Im a big fan of med care and reform...at a state level. Might have something to do with a federal government that is 15.5 trillion in debt, or with a fed that cant even control its own crime fighting operations, or the fact that it is not the federal governments job and has no constitutional bearing...could be LOTS of reason that have nothing to do with party or the race of the current CiC. Romneycare is a sate program. If Mississippi wants to pass a state wide health care mandate that is an issue for the citizens of Mississippi. It is for the citizens of Mississippi and their responsibility to elect representation and to find a way to pay for the healthcare plan of their chosing. State and local control good. State and local responsibility good. Federal control bloated, irresponsible, mismanaged...bad.
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Lets see VM the STATES get AID fom the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, part of FEDERAL STIMULUS PROGRAM went to the STATES, the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT maintains the MILITARY which PROTECTS the STATES from FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS and TERRORIST. With out the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT their would be no UNITED STATES of AMERICA and it takes every one of US WORKING TOGETHER to KEEP OUR GREAT NATION functioning
 
Catawba said:
I dunno, because he is a different color???
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What a cheap shot. How easy is it to call someone a racist because he does not agree with Obama.
 
cpwill said:
Obamney Care? I would say it's one of two (and probably the lead of those two) reasons why he currently maxes out at 25-30% of the Republican Party. His only hope is that Cain and Perry drag each other down enough that he can with with a plurality.
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Thanks, I was just curious about your view. You rate Romney a bit lower in his party than I would, but we agree he has a serious problem. If Perry can climb out of the hole he is in, I still think he has the best chance at winning the primary.
 
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