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Republican Field Set, Now Some Questions For Discussion

lpast said:
Cain's has two major problems. One he is black running in a white man's party. Dont underestimate this problem in especially certain states. If it is between a credible black man and white man, I would wager most would vote white in many states. Two he has come with some comments that put him in the nutter side of the political sphere, and while it might please the GOP faithful, he wont stand a chance with independents.

I dont think the issue for cain is being black in a white mans party, he spouts all that the gop wants to hear...his problem would be with independents and blacks.
He would get zero of the black vote against obama.
What bothers me most about cain...is that all he talks about his business and applying his business practices to being President...Business and Govt are not even close and he shows just how much he doesnt know to me everytime he gives a speech...Business savvy doe not make a good President.
You cant apply anything he did at Godfathers Pizza to foriegn affairs...or the war on terror...or anything in the world...We are all focused on our economy right now and jobs...but any of us that diminishs Foriegn affairs and the importance of it for our prosperity and survival is foolish...cain gives me no confidence at all in his general ability to be president.
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Herman Cain appeals to the Conservative base because of his hard-nosed, tough talk as well as his strong stance for supporting the business/wealth-class. Unfortunately, as long as he continues to attack the Black/minority vote and speaks down the the economic plight that affects millions of Americans no matter the color/cultural lines, he will continue to alienate a large segment of the population that is seaking for inclusing in or recapturing of the American Dream. This is one reason he will likely fail to get the GOP nomination.

The other reason as I see it is he brings far less political experience to the White House than either President Obama did upon winning the 2008 election or what Sarah Palin would have brought as a GOP VP or even a 2012 presidential candidte. To put it simply: If people didn't vote for Obama because he was just a community organizer, why in the world would someone vote for Herman Cain who was only a CEO of what is now a 4th or 5th rate pizza franchise for a short time? Granted, he did manage to turn the image and profitability of the franchise around, but he lost atleast 200 stores in order to do it. And when these such points are made clear, that "businessman savy" he relies upon will be shred to pieces! Not to mention his ZERO foreign policy experience. And if you thought that President Obama has having a difficult time dealing with Congress and he was once a U.S. Senator, just wait until Congress bullies the hell out of "No political experience" Cain!!

It's great that he can talk the talk, but he'll never be able to walk the walk.
 
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Obama was a US Senator for maybe 30 minutes before he started running for President - I'm not sure that counts as particularly great experience. and yes, being a CEO who has turned around multiple large, failing organizations and served on a Federal Reserve is superior experience to being a community organizer and voting "present" in the state senate.

mind you, I agree that Cain's lack of national-level governing experience would harm him. But he would at least bring more to the table in terms of that factor than our current Chief Executive.
 
Objective Voice said:
Herman Cain appeals to the Conservative base because of his hard-nosed, tough talk as well as his strong stance for supporting the business/wealth-class. Unfortunately, as long as he continues to attack the Black/minority vote and speaks down the the economic plight that affects millions of Americans no matter the color/cultural lines, he will continue to alienate a large segment of the population that is seaking for inclusing in or recapturing of the American Dream. This is one reason he will likely fail to get the GOP nomination.
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Not correct. He has only attacked black democrats. They are of course mad, but it's not going to hurt him in the election because they never would have voted for a republican in the first place. In fact, the conservative minorities like him, and many of them feel somewhat special because they can think for themselves, unlike many others. I'm not making this up, that is the reaction I have seen.

The other reason as I see it is he brings far less political experience to the White House than either President Obama did upon winning the 2008 election or what Sarah Palin would have brought as a GOP VP or even a 2012 presidential candidte. To put it simply: If people didn't vote for Obama because he was just a community organizer, why in the world would someone vote for Herman Cain who was only a CEO of what is now a 4th or 5th rate pizza franchise for a short time? Granted, he did manage to turn the image and profitability of the franchise around, but he lost atleast 200 stores in order to do it. And when these such points are made clear, that "businessman savy" he relies upon will be shred to pieces! Not to mention his ZERO foreign policy experience. And if you thought that President Obama has having a difficult time dealing with Congress and he was once a U.S. Senator, just wait until Congress bullies the hell out of "No political experience" Cain!!
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Pretty much no one didn't vote for Obama, because he lacked political experience. Some may be bummed out with his lack of any experience, but the main reason they didn't vote for him, is because he is a democrat. Also, Obama will not be able to make a successful attack again Herman Cain about his political experience, because his total experience is less than Cain. You will not be able to discredit Cain's business experience with that he closed stores. His answer could be, better closing some stores than letting the company go bankrupt.

However, what you should really concerned about is Mitt Romney's business experience. He made his money mainly through leveraged buyouts. Essentially, mortgaging companies to take them over in the hope of reselling them at big profits in just a few years.
 
The Barbarian said:
Personally I see the questions as really immaterial, Obama is dead in the water no matter if he wins or loses.

Simple numbers back that up, first .. there is no way the Republicans will lost the congress, and second, the sheer numbers of the 2012 elections says that Republicans will take over the senate as well. I'm not going to look this up again, as I've posted them before, but there is something like 36 seats in the senate up for reelection, of those 36 seats I think it's 23 or 24 of them are currently held by Democrats. Republicans only need to pick up 5 seats in this election and that will give them control of both houses.
With the new rules voted and pass today, that is going to serious limit the power of the minority party in the senate

Now on a side note, seeing how in My opinion, Republicans are going to control both houses, if the truth be told, I'd just as soon see Obama win. I said this because from what I've seen over the last 25 years, nothing good has ever come out of a single party control of our government. The best our government seems to perform is when the balance of power is split in such a way .. that both parties have to move towards the middle ..

As for the Republican candidates …. For all practical logic, Romney is going to win, and I can't stand him. He is just another politician that will say anything to get elected, just as Obama did.

The only candidate that I could support would be Cain, Because he seems to be the only one that has strong convictions, and stands by them, he has plans to try and get us out of this mess… you might not like them, but he puts them out there in simple english that everyone can understand.

Many will say he doesn't have the foreign experience, I say so what! I want someone that is thinking about Americans first, and the rest of the world after our own country. IMO his strong business back ground is better suited then Romney's for the creation of jobs, and what will entice business to either stay or come back to the US.
The last reason I would like to see him be running against Obama, is because we could be just like the liberals, every time they questioned anything about him, conservatives could throw out the race card like the liberal do to defend Obama.
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I'd rather see Obama continue to be POTUS with an all GOP congress than Romney as POTUS with a split congress or a dem controlled one personally. I have always enjoyed the dems revisionist history of the 90's. The GOP had control of both sides plus a majority of the governorships, including NY and CA, yet, according to the dems, the good economic times were their responsibility lol.

I am a conservative, and no longer reside in the GOP. I am not concerned with which party is in power so much. I am concerned with the actions of our elected officials. putting liberal GOPers in office is not a gain for me. Granted, I used to be a member of the GOP and was a proud one for many years. No longer though as their actions are the opposite of conservatism in many cases. Congressionally if we get another year like 2010, we can retake congress and with more actual conservative members doing so. I'd be happy with that, and it will neuter either Obama or Romney if Romney does go on to win the primary.
 
Camlon said:
Not correct. He has only attacked black democrats.
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I don't see Herman Cain's disrespect towards African Americans as something cutting along party lines within this demographic. I see him just speaking down towards black folks, period! There are some African Americans who vote Democrat who are well-off just as there are some who vote Republican. By the same token, there are poor Blacks who vote Democrat just as there are some who vote Republican. I've met a few African Americans who aren't well-off who can't stand President Obama. But what surprised me the most was to hear from some of my white co-workers who said they thought that Cain's comments were disrespectful towards Blacks and that he seems to have forgotten where he came from. It kinda took me aback to hear White people say that. I wasn't expecting to hear White people voice a similar sentiment shared by Black people about Cain's "blame yourselves for being poor Black people" rant.
 
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Objective Voice said:
I don't see Herman Cain's disrespect towards African Americans as something cutting along party lines within this demographic. I see him just speaking down towards black folks, period! There are some African Amer
icans who vote Democrat who are well-off just as there are some who vote Republican. By the same token, there are poor Blacks who vote Democrat just as there are some who vote Republican. I've met a few African Americans who aren't well-off who can't stand President Obama. But what surprised me the most was to hear from some of my white co-workers who said they thought that Cain's comments were disrespectful towards Blacks and that he seems to have forgotten where he came from. It kinda took me aback to hear White people say that. I wasn't expecting to hear White people voice a similar sentiment shared by Black people about Cain's "blame yourselves for being poor Black people" rant.
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That is probably because they only listened to what Washington Post told them, who put up big headlines "black people are brainwashed". Also, what do you mean by not expecting white people to say that? It is white people that are the hardest defenders on a liberal immigration politics in Europe and the US and give you labels such as inhumane and racists if you are against a liberal immigration.

Let me turn it around. If I said, many white people are brainwashed into voting Republican. (assuming 80-90% of white people voted republican) Is that disrespectful towards whites? Or is it disrespectful towards white republicans? As a liberal, do you get offended when someone say that some white people are brainwashed into voting Republican?
 
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Camlon said:
That is probably because they only listened to what Washington Post told them, who put up big headlines "black people are brainwashed". Also, what do you mean by not expecting white people to say that? It is white people that are the hardest defenders on a liberal immigration politics in Europe and the US and give you labels such as inhumane and racists if you are against a liberal immigration.

Let me turn it around. If I said, many white people are brainwashed into voting Republican. (assuming 80-90% of white people voted republican) Is that disrespectful towards whites? Or is it disrespectful towards white republicans? As a liberal, do you get offended when someone say that some white people are brainwashed into voting Republican?
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I was just surprised to find that my White counterparts though Herman Cain's comments on wealth and racial equality among Blacks to be totally off-base.

Most White people I know and/or work with are nice folks and have never treated me any differently than they'd treat any other person - Black or White. But I've often found that most White people I've associated with find it somewhat difficult to truly open up and share their feelings or opinions on racial issues. They seem to clam up alittle whenever the subject really goes into the details, i.e., legalism, reparations, mix marriages, biracial children, racial equality and affirmative action (it's probably the one topic I've found that most White people will discuss openly). I just figured most were too uncomfortable to talk about such matters indepth. It's never stopped me from discussion current events on racial issues with them or they asking me certain questions about African American culture. That's the surface stuff; the real indepth issues...they seem to hit a snag on how to engage on the deeper issues.

But be that as it may, I've never felt that any of my White friends or co-workers thought of me any differently than they do anyone else.
 
cpwill said:
Obama was a US Senator for maybe 30 minutes before he started running for President - I'm not sure that counts as particularly great experience. and yes, being a CEO who has turned around multiple large, failing organizations and served on a Federal Reserve is superior experience to being a community organizer and voting "present" in the state senate.

mind you, I agree that Cain's lack of national-level governing experience would harm him. But he would at least bring more to the table in terms of that factor than our current Chief Executive.
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Obama was a state Senator for many years before he became a U.S. Senator.

But in any case, prior experience does not seem to be a very good indicator of presidential performance: http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/31/prior-experience-and-presidential-greatness/
 
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AdamT said:
Obama was a state Senator for many years before he became a U.S. Senator.

But in any case, prior experience does not seem to be a very good indicator of presidential performance: Prior Experience and Presidential Greatness - NYTimes.com
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Nothing obama had suggested competence. His rise to power in Chicago was pockmarked with dirty tricks to eliminate rivals. I never want to hear any dem who voted for Obama whine about the resume of a republican candidate in the future
 
TurtleDude said:
Nothing obama had suggested competence. His rise to power in Chicago was pockmarked with dirty tricks to eliminate rivals. I never want to hear any dem who voted for Obama whine about the resume of a republican candidate in the future
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How about saying that both parties and their minions suck hind tit? I am absolutely and completely and totally sick of both parties, partisans and candidates. If America can't - or rather isn't willing to - do better than what either party has done or better than the charlatans and screw ups they propose for public office then America will get what it damn well deserves and IMHO people who don't exercise their right to vote the bastards out have no right to bitch and whine.
 
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