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I kicked the Arab, I stepped on his head'

Laila

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Dozens of teenage boys from Jerusalem received the same ICQ message: "We're putting an end to all the Arabs who hang out in 'Pisga' [Pisgat Ze'ev] and the mall, whistle at the girls, curse, threaten little kids. Anyone who is Jewish and wants to put an end to all that should be at Burger Ranch at 10 P.M., and we'll finally show them they can't hang in our area anymore. Anyone who is willing to do that and has Jewish blood should add his name to this message."

It would have been difficult to choose a more cynical date on which to send out such a message: Wednesday, April 30, the eve of Holocaust Remembrance Day. Dozens of boys arrived at the meeting place in the Pisgat Ze'ev shopping mall. They streamed in from all parts of the capital, some on foot, some by bus and some driven in by parents. Equipped with knives, sticks and clubs, they all had one purpose: to do harm to Arabs for being Arabs.

At the entrance, the gang encountered two boys from the Shuafat refugee camp, who had come to shop for clothes and didn't know the mall had closed early for Holocaust Day. The day's end saw the two battered, bleeding and stabbed, and at Hadassah University Hospital in Ein Karem.
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A few days ago, an indictment was submitted to the Jerusalem District Court against 11 of the attackers - teenage boys aged 15-19. Their testimony indicates the attack was perpetrated in a society in which violence against Arabs is seen as a legitimate and necessary means by which to restore Jewish hegemony to the neighborhood.

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Abu Kamal says his son is in very bad shape. "He got a blow to the head and now he gets up three or four times a night. He's afraid, sometimes he cries. He was emotionally damaged and that's the worst kind of damage. Now his condition is not so good and I can't leave him. I'm afraid he'll get up and throw himself out of the window at night.

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'I kicked the Arab, I stepped on his head' - Haaretz - Israel News
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Hmm ... :|
Drop them amongst Arabs and let them see how it feels like :S
 
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Laila said:
Hmm ... :|
Drop them amongst Arabs and let them see how it feels like :S
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The law of Moses is an outdated concept.

What these children did is disturbing and they need to serve jail time for it.

Since it occurred in the middle east I am certain there will be bombings and honor killings in retaliation.
 
Laila said:
Hmm ... :|
Drop them amongst Arabs and let them see how it feels like :S
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I see no reason for this sort of thread except to cast the Jews of Jerusalem in a negative light.

Do you really want to play this game Laila?

Wasn't it just last year that an Arab in Jerusalem shot a number of Jewish school students to death inside their school?

Wasn't it last summer that an Arab in Jerusalem hijacked a construction bulldozer and killed Jewish drivers and pedestrians?

I can post a new story like these every day.

Do you really want to play this game Laila? Let me know girl.
 
So, how about we establish this. There are idiot extremists and bigots on each side of the aisle. And you want to know what it proves? Just that.
 
Tashah said:
I see no reason for this sort of thread except to cast the Jews of Jerusalem in a negative light.
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you should say that too, when other members posts similar threads about muslims


Wasn't it just last year that an Arab in Jerusalem shot a number of Jewish school students to death inside their school?

Wasn't it last summer that an Arab in Jerusalem hijacked a construction bulldozer and killed Jewish drivers and pedestrians?

I can post a new story like these every day.
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No need for that, SgtRock already does it
 
Laila said:
Hmm ... :|
Drop them amongst Arabs and let them see how it feels like :S
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That's sad. I can't say I am surprised considering how the Arabs continually threaten the Jews daily but it's still sad to see that the next generations on both sides are taking to the violence with alarming alacrity.
 
Palestinians hurled rocks at a vehicle near Ofarim
26 February 2009
Palestinians hurled rocks and damaged an Israeli vehicle traveling near the Israeli community of Ofarim.

Palestinians hurled rocks at an Israeli bus traveling near Karmel
27 February 2009
Palestinians hurled rocks at an Israeli bus traveling near the Israeli community of Karmel. Damage was caused to the bus.

Palestinians hurled rocks a number of vehicles traveling near Nili, causing damages
27 February 2009
Palestinians hurled rocks at a number of Israeli vehicles traveling near the Israeli community of Nili. Damage was caused to the vehicles.

An Israeli woman was lightly wounded after Palestinians hurled rocks at the vehicle she was driving
28 February 2009
An Israeli woman was lightly wounded after Palestinians hurled rocks at the vehicle she was driving near the Israeli community of Hebron. IDF forces are now searching the area.

Six Qassam rockets were fired at Israeli communities during the weekend
28 February 2009
Six Qassam rockets were fired at Israeli communities during the weekend.Two rockets hit the city of Ashkelon causing damage to an educational institution. A number of people were treated for shock.

Qassam rocket hits house in Sderot
01 March 2009
A Qassam rocket hit a house in Sderot causing serious damage. Over 120 rockets and mortars launched from the Gaza Strip since holding of fire on January 18th.

Israeli civilian lightly injured when Palestinians hurled rocks
01 March 2009
An Israeli civilian was lightly injured when Palestinians hurled rocks at his vehicle, as he was traveling near the Israeli community of Eli. The civilian was given initial medical treatment at the scene.

Palestinians hurled rocks at an Israeli vehicle
02 March 2009
Palestinians hurled rocks at an Israeli vehicle traveling near the Israeli community of Ma'ale Shomeron. Damage was caused to the vehicle.
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I also can do this negative stuff. Every day.
 
Tashah said:
I also can do this negative stuff. Every day.
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I can be negative too. 6 out of the 8 incidents you listed above have occured around illegal colonies in West Bank :2wave:
 
bub said:
I can be negative too. 6 out of the 8 incidents you listed above have occured around illegal colonies in West Bank :2wave:
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So then. According to bub is is okay to attack civilians. Let's remember that.
 
Tashah said:
So then. According to bub is is okay to attack civilians. Let's remember that.
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Oh great, and I guess according to you it's OK to attack young palestinians???
 
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bub said:
Oh great, and I guess according to you it's OK to attack young palestinians???
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The point I was making to Laila - before you derailed - is that the Middle East forum can have some very good threads with very good debate.

But bash threads like this one do nothing at all to foster good debate. All these sort of threads do is foster acrimony. No positive function whatsoever. See how the thread is already turning ugly? Just another useless waste of time and bandwidth.
 
Even before you entered the thread, bub, it has been established that what both sides do around this is wrong. How do you think you are coming across with what you are posting? One guess.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Even before you entered the thread, bub, it has been established that what both sides do around this is wrong. How do you think you are coming across with what you are posting? One guess.
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double standard, exactly like Tashah:

- Tashah says that this thread is an attempt to demonize Israel and does not say that what these people did was wrong -> you do not react

- I answer that many posters do the same about Muslims, yet she never say that they are "demonizing Muslims" -> you accuse me because in this post I have not condemned the Palestinians attacks (while no later than yesterday I started a thread condemning them)


And where is your criticism when she starts accusing me of supporting terrorists/criminals???
 
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Tashah said:
The point I was making to Laila - before you derailed - is that the Middle East forum can have some very good threads with very good debate.
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Oh really? The only things you did here was
- accusing her because she is bashing Israeli
- bashing Palestinians

But bash threads like this one do nothing at all to foster good debate. All these sort of threads do is foster acrimony. No positive function whatsoever.
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That's why you answered by bashing the other side I guess

See how the thread is already turning ugly? Just another useless waste of time and bandwidth
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Then we agree, but instead of bashing Palestinians, you could simply have acknowledged that what these boys did was wrong AND THEN explaining that they do not represent the majority in Israel
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
So, how about we establish this. There are idiot extremists and bigots on each side of the aisle. And you want to know what it proves? Just that.
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To be really fair and equal about this - any such thread should be equally stepped on. Not just Laila's. Bub does have a very strong point that threads pointing out arab/palestinian bigotry and extremism tend not to be derailed.

I remember arguing that Sgt Rock should be allowed to continue to post threads about honour killings of arab women - and I would argue that Laila and anyone else should then equally be allowed to post threads about acts such as those in Laila's OP.

If I recall, Tashah also argued in defence of Sgt Rock when another poster asked why such threads continued to be posted. I'm off soon so I don't have time to find a link - but it was breaking news.
 
bub said:
double standard, exactly like Tashah:

- Tashah says that this thread is an attempt to demonize Israel and does not say that what these people did was wrong -> you do not react

- I answer that many posters do the same about Muslims, yet she never say that they are "demonizing Muslims" -> you accuse me because in this post I have not condemned the Palestinians attacks (while no later than yesterday I started a thread condemning them)


And where is your criticism when she starts accusing me of supporting terrorists/criminals???
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Don't even try with the double standard bs, on me, bub. I'm usually one of the first ones out of the box to go after SgtRock's foolish threads associating everything evil with Islam. bhkad's too. And I was the one who caused TOT's meltdown when I went after him about wanting to kill all US Muslims if the US was attacked by an Islamic terrorist group. Heck, I went after the Face of Jacob. Peddle your bs comments about double standards to someone who it applies to...and that one ain't me.

You need to stop looking at others and check your own house. You are about as unbiased and even handed towards Israel as posters like Jenin. You just package your crap in prettier packages.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
To be really fair and equal about this - any such thread should be equally stepped on. Not just Laila's. Bub does have a very strong point that threads pointing out arab/palestinian bigotry and extremism tend not to be derailed.

I remember arguing that Sgt Rock should be allowed to continue to post threads about honour killings of arab women - and I would argue that Laila and anyone else should then equally be allowed to post threads about acts such as those in Laila's OP.

If I recall, Tashah also argued in defence of Sgt Rock when another poster asked why such threads continued to be posted. I'm off soon so I don't have time to find a link - but it was breaking news.
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I have gone after SgtRock, bhkad, TOT when he was here (I caused his meltdown) and plenty of others from both sides. I nail them, pretty much equally.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
You need to stop looking at others and check your own house. You are about as unbiased and even handed towards Israel as posters like Jenin. You just package your crap in prettier packages.
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I couldn't have said it better myself Captain. It's no longer a secret.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
To be really fair and equal about this - any such thread should be equally stepped on. Not just Laila's. Bub does have a very strong point that threads pointing out arab/palestinian bigotry and extremism tend not to be derailed.

I remember arguing that Sgt Rock should be allowed to continue to post threads about honour killings of arab women - and I would argue that Laila and anyone else should then equally be allowed to post threads about acts such as those in Laila's OP.

If I recall, Tashah also argued in defence of Sgt Rock when another poster asked why such threads continued to be posted. I'm off soon so I don't have time to find a link - but it was breaking news.
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Anytime and anyplace you want to debate honor-killings with me... just say so.

What I object to about Laila's thread, is that it is not an international story of any import whatsoever. It's a "police blotter" story that has no higher purpose other than to bash.

If she wants to do it. Fine. I will counter. But this is the type of crap that ruins this ME forum.
 
Tashah said:
I see no reason for this sort of thread except to cast the Jews of Jerusalem in a negative light.

Do you really want to play this game Laila?

Wasn't it just last year that an Arab in Jerusalem shot a number of Jewish school students to death inside their school?

Wasn't it last summer that an Arab in Jerusalem hijacked a construction bulldozer and killed Jewish drivers and pedestrians?

I can post a new story like these every day.

Do you really want to play this game Laila? Let me know girl.
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To be fair the amount of similar threads about Muslims is very large. It seems hypocritical to denounce one sort of thread and not the other.
 
Tashah said:
So then. According to bub is is okay to attack civilians. Let's remember that.
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Are adult settlers in the Westbank civilians? How do you define civilians in this area? They are certainly engaged in occupying and settling on someone else's land, is there not a degree of "at your own risk" to be applied to them?

On the one hand one can say they are civilians because they aren't direct combatants but on the other hand this seems to open up a Pandora's box.

Ignoring the fact that bombing civilians is normal in most major wars, would it then be okay to try and hold an area by filling it with "civilians" and then claiming the enemy can't attack it?

This area creates a lot of questions which I'm not sure I can answer off the top of my head. My gut tells me that if a foreign power occupied Britain and installed its citizens on my or my family's land I would not consider them total innocents in general. Obviously it becomes very complex due to all sorts of factors including the fact children may be with some. I'd don't believe in attacking civilians at all and I think I'd err on the side of caution in such a situation but I'd have trouble considering a lot of them total innocents as I said.
 
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Wessexman said:
To be fair the amount of similar threads about Muslims is very large. It seems hypocritical to denounce one sort of thread and not the other.
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You've got a mouth. Right? Then say something when a particular thread bothers you and why it does.
 
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