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Cached Chinese Government Documents List Gold Medalist's Age as 14

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Who are we talking about?

Let's take a look at He Kexin (何可欣). Her Chinese issued passport lists her birthday as 01/01/1992, 16 years old and old enough to compete. However, allegations cited on her Wikipedia page put her birthday as 01/01/1994, fourteen years old and not eligible for competition. Which is the truth? Let's find out.

Let's ask Google!

First, we'll search all Chinese web sites for Excel spreadsheets containing He Kexin's name and the word 1994. (site:cn 何可欣 filetype:xls 1994). This seems like a pretty good search. Try it yourself! Here's what Google gives us back, one measly hit: [...]

That's strange. Fortunately, we can click on "View as HTML" in the Google cache and see it. However, even though the Google search results indicate that He Kexin is listed in the spreadsheet, when you view Google's cached version, her name no longer appears.

What a strange software bug!?!? Oh well, I guess we should give up. Right?
What if we don't give up easy though?

What about Baidu? Baidu is a Chinese language search engine with its own cache and search index. It's different than google. So what if we run the same search on Baidu? Here's the Baidu results, as of today, for the same search string: (site:cn 何可欣 filetype:xls 1994). For those who don't speak Search Engine, that's all Excel spreadsheets in China that contain He Kexin's name and the string 1994. So, here's Baidu:


Interesting. Baidu lists TWO spreadsheets at sport.gov.cn with Kexin's name. Not surprisingly, the new one discovered by Baidu has been been deleted as well:

But what about the Baidu cache? If you click on the "HTML" link next to these XLS documents on Baidu (do it yourself!) you can access a cached copy of the document. This means that it was fully available... until recently. So, does Baidu's copies of these documents have anything to say about Ms. Kexin?

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Links to cached documents from sport.gov.cn [1] [2]

No surprises here, but proof from a chinese government website speaks volumes
 
I think its shameful. I don't blame the chinese government at all for this, the only thing they can be blamed for is not researching enough. The passports say 16 but that can be faked, what they should do is look at the birth certificates. Thats the only sure-fire way to end this. So end it.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
I think its shameful. I don't blame the chinese government at all for this, the only thing they can be blamed for is not researching enough. The passports say 16 but that can be faked, what they should do is look at the birth certificates. Thats the only sure-fire way to end this. So end it.
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If passports can be faked, or made to contain false information, why not a birth certificate?

Aren't both of these gov't issued?
 
Lightdemon said:
If passports can be faked, or made to contain false information, why not a birth certificate?

Aren't both of these gov't issued?
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hmm, didn't think of that.

But why would a government fake birth certificates only for the olympics? If they fake the BC, then it has to be permanent or else, people will find out about the original.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
hmm, didn't think of that.

But why would a government fake birth certificates only for the olympics? If they fake the BC, then it has to be permanent or else, people will find out about the original.
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Well, you've no doubt heard of all the other stuff that China has done just for the olympics, haven't ya?

But give or take 2 years, what will it matter in decade or two? :shrug:
 
I somehow doubt that these kids are the ones faking their papers. At the very least the gov is aware, at the worst they are the ones forging documents.
 
Kernel Sanders said:
I somehow doubt that these kids are the ones faking their papers. At the very least the gov is aware, at the worst they are the ones forging documents.
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But I have a question, why 14 year olds? I would figure they would not have as good experiance as say some of the 16 or even 18 yrs.
 
Lightdemon said:
Well, you've no doubt heard of all the other stuff that China has done just for the olympics, haven't ya?

But give or take 2 years, what will it matter in decade or two? :shrug:
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Olympic scandals tend to stick around. With proof floating around they could very possibly be stripped of the medals as well
 
DarkWizard12 said:
But I have a question, why 14 year olds? I would figure they would not have as good experiance as say some of the 16 or even 18 yrs.
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Gymnastics seems to be different. The kids can do more acrobatic stuff than older people. For most sports you peak later, if for nothing else than having a larger, more mature body type. Gymnastics is not one of those sports
 
Kernel Sanders said:
Olympic scandals tend to stick around. With proof floating around they could very possibly be stripped of the medals as well
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Oh, I was referring to the 2 years in her age. Whether or not that her BC will be permanently changed, if the Chinese gov't decides to do so, it really wont matter in her later life.

I could have worded the second sentence a bit better.
 
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First off, Baidu is hardly a "government website".
Secondly a list of random names with no source says nothing whatsoever of the validity of the list.
Finally, Just like you can find another George W. Bush in the United states same too can you find another He kexin in China - in particular of a population of 1.3billion that probability is even more likely.
 
jfuh said:
First off, Baidu is hardly a "government website".
Secondly a list of random names with no source says nothing whatsoever of the validity of the list.
Finally, Just like you can find another George W. Bush in the United states same too can you find another He kexin in China - in particular of a population of 1.3billion that probability is even more likely.
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Baidu is a search engine that caches web pages just like google does. The excel sheet is from sport.gov.cn

It would be quite a coincidence if this He Kexin has the same birth date, is the age Kexin is alleged to be, is listed on a government sports website, and is not the same person. Her passport lists the same 1/1 date, but two years earlier
 
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DarkWizard12 said:
But I have a question, why 14 year olds? I would figure they would not have as good experiance as say some of the 16 or even 18 yrs.
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Couple reasons. You don't want your female gymnasts too tall or too heavy. The Olympic Gold Medal pole vaulter from Russia got into pole vault because she was too tall to continue as a gymnast. 14 year olds generally don't have that problem. Too tall creates issues on apparatuses like the uneven bars. Furthermore, small gymnasts may have fewer potential problems in a routine merely based on physics. Less weight to throw around. With less weight, less force = less energy, potentially easier landing meaning greater points. And as the Chinese gymnasts have shown, experience may not really matter in the end as a vital aspect. Some of their gold medalists have had very little international exposure.

The US coach isn't furious about China's fake ages as much as he's furious at the US and the international gymnastic body won't play the same game. Hence he's calling for a removal of all restrictions on age.
 
Kernel Sanders said:
Baidu is a search engine that caches web pages just like google does. The excel sheet is from sport.gov.cn

It would be quite a coincidence if this He Kexin has the same birth date, is the age Kexin is alleged to be, is listed on a government sports website, and is not the same person. Her passport lists the same 1/1 date, but two years earlier
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There is no means of measuring the validity of this cache.
The source says that this He Kexin was born in Hubei province in the City of Wuhan. But according to the official roster the gymnast He was born in Beijing
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 So though the name and dates do match (minus year) the birth place is completely wrong. All the more leaning to a "coincidence", out of a populace of 1.3billion, it's quite a likly coincidence.
 
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Just get over it.She looks like she is twelve.The Chicom government is getting the pass because Chinamart is making billions here in the US.The IOC is so corrupt it isnt even funny.Face it China should never have gotten an Olympics to begin with.It is the worst Olympics Ive ever seen.Seems more judges and people have been bought off.Corruption at it's best.China failed and you do not need me to beleive to realize that.There are numerous articles all over the web from I-tunes blocked out to protests being forbidden.My friend who was in China has written about everything from the lack of health codes and health insurance to how they sell Mao's image at cups the Macao Venetian.Pretty nice for a Jewish owner to sell Mao's image on cups!Like selling Hitler's image's.Do you realize how many people died under this mass murderer?Blood money rules the day.As long as you are making a buck!
 
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Jake Blues said:
Just get over it.She looks like she is twelve.
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Shawn Jonson doesn't look like she's 20 - looks 15 to me.

The Chicom government is getting the pass because Chinamart is making billions here in the US.
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IOC is an international organization that holds no loyalties to any single nation.

The IOC is so corrupt it isnt even funny.Face it China should never have gotten an Olympics to begin with.
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Why not?

It is the worst Olympics Ive ever seen.Seems more judges and people have been bought off.Corruption at it's best.
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Based on what evidence? Seems like specious speculation

China failed and you do not need me to beleive to realize that.
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Failed what?

There are numerous articles all over the web from I-tunes blocked out to protests being forbidden.
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So? Has China become a democracy?

My friend who was in China has written about everything from the lack of health codes and health insurance to how they sell Mao's image at cups the Macao Venetian.
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China lacking health insurance?? They are a communist state with - albeit a piss poor one - socialized medicine. The health codes are actually up to international minimal standards but not enforced due to wide spread governmental corruption at both national and local levels.

Pretty nice for a Jewish owner to sell Mao's image on cups!Like selling Hitler's image's.
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Mao didn't persecute jews, that's quite different from a jew selling hitler's image.

Do you realize how many people died under this mass murderer?
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Do you?

Blood money rules the day.As long as you are making a buck!
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That is quite true - and again right back to the widespread corruption on both national and local levels.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
I think its shameful. I don't blame the chinese government at all for this, the only thing they can be blamed for is not researching enough. The passports say 16 but that can be faked, what they should do is look at the birth certificates. Thats the only sure-fire way to end this. So end it.
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I blame the Chinese government because they are guilty of cheating and then conspiring to prevent their cheating from being discovered.

:mrgreen:
 
jfuh said:
Shawn Jonson doesn't look like she's 20 - looks 15 to me.



Mao didn't persecute jews, that's quite different from a jew selling hitler's image.


What is a Chinese person's life worth less than a Jewish person? Or shouldn't people feel offended by it?Mao is responsible for entering the Korean war and causing the deaths of many US military soldiers,also.Where I come from we call that a traitor.
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Jake Blues said:
What is a Chinese person's life worth less than a Jewish person?
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No, of course not. Simply points out your misuse. What does a jew selling mao figureines have any relationship bearing to a jew selling hitler figurines??

Jake Blues said:
Or shouldn't people feel offended by it?
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Mao is seen as a joke in most of China today, used to fend off evil spirits because he strikes fear even into evil spirits themselvs.

Jake Blues said:
Mao is responsible for entering the Korean war and causing the deaths of many US military soldiers,also.Where I come from we call that a traitor.
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Mao entered the Korean war at the plea of North Korea and the US was waging war at the door step of China. That US soldiers were killed was a result of the war - people get killed during war. So unless you are making a pacifist appeal I don't see what you're argument is about here.
 
It is called consistency.If you want people to empathize with your people over the holocaust I don't think it is a good idea to go around selling Mao as a souvenier.You lose all credibility.
 
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