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Obama scraps visit to wounded troops

Reverend_Hellh0und said:
don't believe the hype. He was welcome, he is afterall a private citizen, no? His entourage of photographers were not.
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What you are missing here is that....of course he COULD have visited.....the issue was they asked him not to....and he respected that request. Like many have said...if he had done otherwise....the cry would have been...."OMG....Obama went against the Pentagon.....he's obviously a person who doesn't respect the military or respect their wishes.....".....

This double speak is really disgusting......but those are the politics you play when you have a weak candidate.....I understand...
 
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disneydude said:
Decidely anti-American speech? Did you even listen to it? There is absolutely no way that the speech can be characterized as such....if you did listen....what was anti-American about it?
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" know that I don't look like the Americans who've previously spoken in this great city"

-plays the race card and insults the US.


" Will we reject torture and stand for the rule of law? "

- because we do now?


"I know my country has not perfected itself. At times, we've struggled to keep the promise of liberty and equality for all of our people. We've made our share of mistakes, and there are times when our actions around the world have not lived up to our best intentions."


Note how he has not critisize thier country


and that was from just skimming

Second....what part of "the pentagon asked him not to visit" do you find "snubbing the troops"? As I said......before....if he had visited.....your cries would be "he went against the wishes of the Pentagon"....
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He could go they refused his enterouge.
As for use of American tax dollars.....yes, I agree.....I don't think American tax dollars should be used to finance this type of thing.....but my feelings on that issue run on both sides.....I also think that McCain's last trip to Columbia should not have been on the taxpayers dime either......
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agreed, was it though?
 
disneydude said:
What you are missing here is that....of course he COULD have visited.....the issue was they asked him not to....and he respected that request. Like many have said...if he had done otherwise....the cry would have been...."OMG....Obama went against the Pentagon.....he's obviously a person who doesn't respect the military or respect their wishes.....".....

This double speak is really disgusting......but those are the politics you play when you have a weak candidate.....I understand...
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Yes Obama's double speak is disgusting.
 
disneydude said:
Decidely anti-American speech? Did you even listen to it? There is absolutely no way that the speech can be characterized as such....if you did listen....what was anti-American about it?
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I don't find it appropriate at all for a presidential candidate to endear himself to foreign citizens by pointing out flaws in his own country at all. Ever.

Second....what part of "the pentagon asked him not to visit" do you find "snubbing the troops"? As I said......before....if he had visited.....your cries would be "he went against the wishes of the Pentagon"....
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Pure conjecture with not an ounce of evidence to support it. Unless you have a crystal ball you aren't telling us about, this can be disregarded as "non sequitur".

As for use of American tax dollars.....yes, I agree.....I don't think American tax dollars should be used to finance this type of thing.....but my feelings on that issue run on both sides.....I also think that McCain's last trip to Columbia should not have been on the taxpayers dime either......
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Then why isn't that discussed rather than this whole "we're damned if we do, damned if we don't with you guys" blather you went on with for 3 posts?

Aps, jfuh, and the makeout hobo I would expect that from. Actually, less from aps. But you...I expect better than that.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
" know that I don't look like the Americans who've previously spoken in this great city"

-plays the race card and insults the US.


" Will we reject torture and stand for the rule of law? "

- because we do now?


"I know my country has not perfected itself. At times, we've struggled to keep the promise of liberty and equality for all of our people. We've made our share of mistakes, and there are times when our actions around the world have not lived up to our best intentions."


Note how he has not critisize thier country


and that was from just skimming




He could go they refused his enterouge.


agreed, was it though?
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That's stretching it.....I don't think any of the three things you pointed to is in any way "Anti-American"...even when you try to characterize it as so.
 
jallman said:
I don't find it appropriate at all for a presidential candidate to endear himself to foreign citizens by pointing out flaws in his own country at all. Ever.



Pure conjecture with not an ounce of evidence to support it. Unless you have a crystal ball you aren't telling us about, this can be disregarded as "non sequitur".



Then why isn't that discussed rather than this whole "we're damned if we do, damned if we don't with you guys" blather you went on with for 3 posts?

Aps, jfuh, and the makeout hobo I would expect that from. Actually, less from aps. But you...I expect better than that.
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Where is Obama pointing out Flaws.....let alone giving an Anti-American Speech?

As for the crystal ball....C'mon Jallman.....you KNOW that that is what would have been said....maybe not by you personally.....but by the usual suspects in the anti-Obama crowd

As for the "damned if you do/don't"....it goes to what the anti-OBama crowd has been posting here for the last month....when there a pattern you can pretty much guess what the next argument will be.


I do agree with the criticism, however, that this should not be done on taxpayer money....I agree that the funds should come from his campaign....but again.....those crying foul......are the same ones that had no complaint about McCain's overseas visits during the campaign.....I think its a legitimate criticism....but it loses some of its meaning when it is only applied hypocritically which is what I see from many in the anti-Obama camp.
 
Good God. It's like a division between the North and the South in the American Civil War in here. The Right is chastizing this man for not visiting with the troops (which he should have done). The Left is defending him for trying to be politically safe by not looking "opportunistic" (When in fact it was scheduled and was opportunistic in what is largely a Presidential campaign tour around Europe.)

The truth is that Obama is simply a Senator. Nothing more. He is not the Commander-in-Chief and therefore not in the Chain-of-Command. We don't owe him nothing and truth be told, most of the military doesn't think of any politician outside of the President and the SECDEF as owing us anything. This is life in the military. President Clinton used us to shape his polls, but damn the missions. President Bush uses us to define "patriotism," and damn the missions. What will Obama damn? The man is so afraid that any hint of applause for the military efforts in Iraq and what it is shaping up to be might damage his stubborn protestor's stage that he can't even acknowledge that the surge pulled the effort out of the fire and steered it in the correct direction. Maybe he heard enough of this from the military leadership actually deployed in the fire to want to hear it again in Germany so the Pentagon's request gave him his excuse to cross it off the list.
 
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
it is when you put it in perspective with the kings history.
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What exactly?.....are you going to now try to old failed argument that Obama should be judged by statements made by other people....or are you going to actually present something meaningful from Obama's history to back up your claim?
 
disneydude said:
What exactly?.....are you going to now try to old failed argument that Obama should be judged by statements made by other people....or are you going to actually present something meaningful from Obama's history to back up your claim?
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Use the search feature. See obama's book, Audacity of hope, and his wifes' new found "pride" :roll:
 
This just in: Obama's cancelled visit was in response to the Pentagon Ruling:

"We learned from the Pentagon last night that the visit would be viewed instead as a campaign event," the adviser, retired Air Force Maj. Gen. Scott Gration, said in a statement.

"Senator Obama did not want to have a trip to see our wounded warriors perceived as a campaign event when his visit was to show his appreciation for our troops and decided instead not to go."

From the Pentagon:

The Pentagon in a statement cited longstanding Defense Department policy that prohibits military personnel or facilities from association with partisan political campaigns and elections.

"We told him he could visit Landstuhl (Regional Medical Center in western Germany) with his Senate staff, but not with his campaign staff," said Army Lt. Col. Elizabeth Hibner.

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/washington/politics-usa-obama-germany-troops.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
 
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Lachean said:
This just in: Obama's cancelled visit was in response to the Pentagon Ruling:

"We learned from the Pentagon last night that the visit would be viewed instead as a campaign event," the adviser, retired Air Force Maj. Gen. Scott Gration, said in a statement.

"Senator Obama did not want to have a trip to see our wounded warriors perceived as a campaign event when his visit was to show his appreciation for our troops and decided instead not to go."

From the Pentagon:

The Pentagon in a statement cited longstanding Defense Department policy that prohibits military personnel or facilities from association with partisan political campaigns and elections.

"We told him he could visit Landstuhl (Regional Medical Center in western Germany) with his Senate staff, but not with his campaign staff," said Army Lt. Col. Elizabeth Hibner.

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/washington/politics-usa-obama-germany-troops.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
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This has already been established. This is also a matter of public record for politicians. Meaning, this scheduled visit was a part of his campaign game abroad.
 
GySgt said:
This has already been established. This is also a matter of public record for politicians. Meaning, this scheduled visit was a part of his campaign game abroad.
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So then, I see his refusal to visit the troops without his campaign staff as proof that his priority on this trip was campaigning all along.
 
aps said:
But it should not be their ONLY priority. But keep making your assertions.
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Hay if Obama wants to campaign for people who can't vote for him let him be my guest, see ya in November. ;)
 
shuamort said:
Sorry, we really shouldn't deflect from the 42 threads you've posted with Obama in the title. (FTR, you're getting beat by Danarhea who has 44 McCain threads



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You need to pick one side and stick with it. Unless that side is Anti-Obama-everything-even-if-it-makes-no-sense-because-it-will-contradict-with-your-previous-viewpoints.
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you fail.



the me trip was a campaign photo op trip paid for you and I.


Germany apparently was paid for by the campaign, and when its under his dime he becomes stingy when told the cameras can't follow him.


He is an opportunist scumbag, my posiston is consistent.
 
"Senator Obama had hoped to and had every intention of visiting our troops to express his appreciation and gratitude for their service to our country.

"We learned from the Pentagon last night that the visit would be viewed instead as a campaign event. Senator Obama did not want to have a trip to see our wounded warriors perceived as a campaign event when his visit was to show his appreciation for our troops and decided instead not to go."

Obama campaign says Pentagon felt visit to wounded troops would be a 'campaign event' - On Politics - USATODAY.com
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So the Today show was right. It was the Pentagon who first suggested that Obama not visit the wounded vets. To me, he made the right decision.
 
jallman said:
So then, I see his refusal to visit the troops without his campaign staff as proof that his priority on this trip was campaigning all along.
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Of course it was. Did Obama fancy himself as a European or Middle Eastern visitor prior to the campaign? But his current journey during the Presidential campaign is merely about hooking up and shouting out? I find it pathetic that the left keep pretending that it isn't. I don't see what they are afraid of. Who cares?
 
aps said:
So the Today show was right. It was the Pentagon who first suggested that Obama not visit the wounded vets. To me, he made the right decision.
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Yes, but why was it on the schedule in the first place? The Pentagon's policy is clear to our Senators. It's nothing new. This was a political game. One more politician using the military. Did someone say "change?"
 
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GySgt said:
The man is so afraid that any hint of applause for the military efforts in Iraq and what it is shaping up to be might damage his stubborn protestor's stage that he can't even acknowledge that the surge pulled the effort out of the fire and steered it in the correct direction. Maybe he heard enough of this from the military leadership actually deployed in the fire to want to hear it again in Germany so the Pentagon's request gave him his excuse to cross it off the list.
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I'm quite curious as to where this notion that Obama refuses to acknowledge the surge in helping to stabilize Iraq originates from.
FactCheck.org: The Truth on Troop Support?
He didn't support the surge at the beginning is undebateable, but that he refuses to acknowledge that the surge has been able to cap violence? To the best of my knowledge there is no evidence of that other than lying by association via right wing spinners.
 
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