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Old 07-18-08, 11:36 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Thread Starter Re: Bush claims privilege to withhold CIA leak records

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Originally Posted by section eight View Post
The other was either Karl Rove or Scooter Libby but they didn't leak it they only confirmed it, once Armitage leaked the name no further leakage could occur.
1. Karl Rove talked about Palme with Matt Cooper, not Novak.
2. Scooter Libby talked about Plame with Judith Miller, not Novak.
3. The statement "once Armitage leaked the name no further leakage could occur" is absurd.

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And long before that the CIA itself outed her.
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Executive Privilege can not be overruled unless the prosecutor can prove that the testimony is pertinent to proving a crime but since no crime even occurred due to the fact that Plame's name had been leaked long before Bush was in office that will be quite impossible.
Again that doesn't matter one bit. Her employment at the CIA was classified. She had been covert in the last 5 years. The CIA was taking specific steps to conceal her identity. It was against the law to reveal her name and employment at the CIA. It's really that simple.

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Fact: After a lengthy investigation, no crime of having revealed Plame's status has ever been charged.

Of course nobody has been charged with a crime. That's because "Scooter" Libby lied his ass off and obstructed the investigation!
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All we have is speculation that the Admin did something nefarious.
Yet when one looks at all the facts regarding the issue it is clear that there is more credence to it being nothing more than a politically motivated witch hunt.
And yes, I realize that there is speculation on this side of the coin too, yet that speculation has more to back it up than anything possibly done by the Admin.

Yes, there's a lot of speculation on both sides, but the fact remains the President is obstructing the very investigation that could put the speculation to rest with his claim of executive privilege.
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You might want to look up what is a defense to the charge and see why it changes everything before you read what follows.

Right, the person leaking has to know that what he's leaking is classified information. That changes nothing. Until Novak's 2nd source is revealed and determined to have been ignorant of her covert status, this investigation is totally appropriate.

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The bottom line is that Plame had already been exposed and the reason why they can not charge Wilson with it is the same reason they can't charge anyone in the Admin.
If Wilson outed her too then he needs to be charged with leaking. I don't care who it is, you don't knowingly leak classified information to people who aren't authorized to have it. Period.

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Simply saying someone works for the CIA isn't outing them unless they were covert.

She was covert! CIA Director Michael Hayden confirmed it!
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