Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002

The dem ad starts out saying:

"John McCain says he'll take on lobbyists."

Then:

"But his inner circle is full of Lobbyists:

Charlie Black - Chief Campaign Adviser
Doug Goodyear - Convention CEO
Tom Loeffler - National Co-Chair
Rick Davis - Campaign Manager
Randy Scheunemann - Top Foreign Policy Adviser"

This is the opening statement, and thesis of the ad. This is what I was focused on. Now, if these facts are true, it is reasonable for discussion. Naming who they lobbied is giving evidence that they are lobbyists. If they lobbied for these groups, pointing it out isn't inherently partisan. Presentation is everything.

Now after rewatching this, I see that "Anti-Western Political Parties" are one of the groups. I guess that this could be taken as someone to be fearful of. I've just rewatched it and can see how that may be taken as something to be afraid of and fearmongering.

Personally, the rest doesn't scare me. It was a smear, I don't dispute that. But, it was a smear based in fact. They aren't going to put out an ad praising McCain. I see it as legitimate ammo. The could have presented it in an honest manner though.

As for the bolded sentence, those things may be true (minus the "he'll be like them" for reasons already stated) but they don't threaten me personally. I won't lose my health care, I won't be killed, I won't lose my social security, and I won't lose my freeedom. This is why I asked what I am to be afraid of. I see that it could be playing on fear with the "Anti-Western political parties".



If you would have shown me that the "Anti-Western political parties" was something to fear, I would have had to concede. Instead you kept calling me a partisan. I overlooked a point and you failed to point it out. I'm not blaming you. I made a mistake. It's my bad. I'm not intentionally trying to be obtuse with you. I'm not trying to be partisan. But for the love of God, use some evidence instead of hurling the partisan card which is an ad hominem attack on the man. The facts were on your side. I asked you what there was to fear. If you would have answered that question, you could have saved yourself some frustration. I should have noticed it but I missed it.