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Old 07-15-08, 09:08 PM   #99 (permalink)
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Re: President George Bush: 'Goodbye from the world's biggest polluter'

I hope this is not a waste of time where you're just going to give me some nonsense response.
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You are suggesting that you can PROVE man caused Global Warming? Do share with me so that I may be better informed. But before you attempt to prove it is man, you will also have to explain what caused global cooling and warming before man walked the earth as well.
All too easy for before man walked the earth.
#1 atmospheric composition was not the same as it was then.
#2 orbital wobbel known as Milankovitch cycles.
#3 solar output cycles

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Again, you have to pay attention before you ramble along in a tirade, I am not questioning the fact that the earth is warming, that evidence is obvious, I am questioning and laughing at the notion that it is due to man.
So you have no problem with the fact that the world is indeed warming.
Fair enough that saves me time from proving that it is warming.
Then the rational is quite simple.
1. Solar output has been steady we are not at any point where there has been any observed change in solar output directly or indirectly. The sun does have 11 year maximum minimum sunspot cycles but earth's circulation and ocean currents buffer out any radical changes
2. We are not wobbeling any closer to the sun nor have we been in the last 200 years since the Industrial revolution.
3. Though volcanic eruptions do indeed release huge quantities of greenhouse gases they also release huge quantities of particles that reflect radiation back into space and actually cool rather than warm. AS well as the fact that anthropogenic output far exceeds that of planetry volcanic systems.
4. Nature emits orders upon orders of magnitude more in greenhouse gases than human beings ever produce, however, natures emissions are in equilibrium - IOW carbon neutral and can be observed in the carbon cycle.

Eleminated solar, stellar and all natural impacts on global climate for the last 200 years (where we see the warming).
By process of elimination look to your left and see the 5ton elephant in the corner. Anthropogenic sources.
Elimination not enough? Ok

Anthropogenic emissions are NOT in equilibrium with the environment. They are a net addition to what nature already produces. Planet is able to buffer out fast dramatic changes but over the course of time with incriments of greenhouse gases continuing what we see are an un-ignorable trend of the concentration of greenhouse gases coinciding precisely with temperature incriments.


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I see you are adept at attributing words where none have been spoken. I never suggested we should exempt ourselves.....can you show me where I did?
I didn't say you did, I specifically said it seemed that you are eluding to.
But since that is not what you are saying then what relevance does bringing up that "other nations pollute worse than we do" have on the argument whatsoever? I hope you're not reaching for a tu quo quoi argument here.
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