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Originally Posted by gunner  It states, “There are 160 Grammar schools in England” there are in fact, 164 but why split hairs over a thousand pupils or 4 more schools! |
Gosh! 4 additional schools? Wow, must have been a radical change!
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| “Selectiveeducation involves choosing more able pupils for entry into Grammar schools” Wrong, children volunteer, choosing the potential candidate does not come into play.
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Wrong? Of course grammar schools are about selective education. The only "hang on a moment" finger point is that selection has inflicted all of our system, given the consequences of the irrationality of league tables.
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“Judging how well a selective school systems perform requires an evaluation of all pupils” Wrong, to judge a Grammar school is to judge “that” school by its performance in isolation, not as part of some “collective” system, that’s absurd.
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We're talking about schools systems. We therefore have to talk about how those systems impact on the distribution of performance. I see no worthwhile debate in that.
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Why are you convinced on penalising more able children who when placed in schools with peers of similar ability outperform [as to be expected] most other children.
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I'd still like to see you offer an attack on my original comment:
Selective systems are better for more able pupils? Not according to the DfEE 1998 Value Added study! Comparing non-selective and selective schools they find a greater % of "most able" pupils from selective schools score in the worst perfomance category. A much greater % (33% compared to 15%) of students from non-selective schools achieve the top 2 performance categories.
Your failure to do that is a tad confusing, given there isn't a consensus on the issue
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Succa we are not all equal in life! Some will be brain surgeons, most will not, get over it.
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Has anyone said that we are? I'll just go with Adam Smith:
"The differences of natural talents in different men is, in reality, much less than we are aware of; and the very different genius which appears to distinguish men of different professions, when grown up to maturity, is not upon many occasions so much the cause as the effect of the division of labour. The differences between the most dissimilar characters, between a philosopher and a common street porter, for example, seems to arise not so much from nature, as from habit, custom and education."