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Originally Posted by Zyphlin  I swear you've become more and more blindly partisan in your statements every single month it seems. |
Why, because I used recent examples which it just so happens that Republicans have been in charge of? Sorry if I don't feel like 60 years ago isn't as relevant.
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Originally Posted by Zyphlin And that is pertinent to the case how? My whole issue was the annoyance that people seem to be voting for someone on the simple and absolute basis of "Change". If that was REALLY the point, then why not fully go for change and break away from the two parties as well. Basically, what annoys me, is that most of these people that are saying they're doing it for Change aren't ACTUALLY doing it for Change, that's just what they've been sold. |
You are missing my point. Dems are the most pragmatic choice for change right now. They are electable. Sure, people could vote for the Socialist party, but how pragmatic would that be? Yes, socialists would be a greater change. But they have zero chance of getting elected. So, in reality, they would not be change.
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Originally Posted by Zyphlin Then once again, they're not voting for "Change", they're voting for a winner and have been selled a bill of goods to make them feel better about just bandwagon jumping. |
Yes, this is true. But of the two bandwagons, which is more likely to bring change?
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Originally Posted by Zyphlin That has to do with this discussion.........what exactly? And even with that in mind, Kerry would've been a better option for the conservatives? |
It was illustrating my point that people vote likes it's a horse race and not on principles or issues. And your question plays exactly into my point. You asked it from the premise that it's an either/or situation. Why didn't they vote libertarian? Just as with your objection to "change" voters not voting socialist, you should chide conservatives for not voting libertarian. But I am the partisan here huh?
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Originally Posted by Zyphlin Ahh, so by your astounding perfect logic "critical thinkers" = "anyone that agree's with me" |
No, I don't agree with Paul voters on much or libertarians either. Keep trying to paint me as taking a partisan stance here though.
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Originally Posted by Zyphlin My issue is not that its not natural for people to do this. My issue is the fact it makes me sad to think that people have been so easily duped by this "Change" message to realize that if that was REALLY what they wanted, there are even bigger agents of change. You're right, its a bunch of people with no care to actually learn a damn thing about the candidate, but latched onto a bunch of platitudes to make themselves feel better about just voting or supporting the guy that's at the front of the bandwagon currently. |
I agree with you here. Nothing attracts a crowd like a crowd.
Perhaps people aren't looking for radical change. Are you denying that Obama is more of a change from Bush than McCain is? Maybe they are voting for "change" and not "radical change".
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Originally Posted by Zyphlin It makes me a bit sad and sick to my stomach to know that the amount of people that are actually likely well informed and have legitimate reasons for voting one way another outside of a simple abstract thought that doesn't even fit perfectly like "Change" are completely and utterly out numbered in almost any election by the vast amount of people that vote for stupid ass reasons. |
Yes, it is sad and sickening.
I voted for Nader in 2000. He was kept off of the ballot in 2004 in my state. Two big reasons I support Obama is because he isn't beholden to special interests (a big Nader issue) and I will not allow another debachle like Bush and the GOP to happen. I will speak out about it. The two parties have been miserable at selecting candidates. If Clinton got the nomination, I wouldn't be voting for her. I have stated that numerous times. So if supporting Obama makes me a partisan, then I guess the meaning of the word has changed. If being opposed to Bush and the GOP's governing makes me a partisan, then 74% of the country is partisan.