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Originally Posted by Truth Detector  Okay so you are convinced the OTHER option; pulling out and allowing whatever may happen to occur is the better option. Will this be a better definition to what is defined by what is meant by "victory?" |
There is no defined "victory".
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Would withdrawal be less ethereal and more concrete?
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Think about it a second. "Victory" in Iraq is undefined. Withdrawal is absolute. Ergo withdrawal cannot be ethereal just as undefined "victory" cannot be absolute.
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What I find specious about such arguments is that they take the position that their GUESSES as to what will happen if we withdraw as being more concrete than the GUESSES as to what will happen if we remain.
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IMO Iraq must govern itself sooner then later. The longer we enable their gov't to continue in its current course the longer we will have to slag on in our occupation of Iraq. There must come a time when Iraq must take the helm for its own ship so let's motivate them by giving them a defined date for our unilateral withdrawal.
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The ONLY thing we can be ASSURED of with a withdrawal is that Osama was correct when he stated that Americans don't have the stomach for a long protracted struggle. The Democrats are desperate to prove him right. The fascinating thing about this is that I cannot fathom how this will make Americans or Iraqi’s safer.Carry on.
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Iraq is not a struggle but an illegal war and of course we American,s who are not war hawks and only find justification in our existance by being at war with our "enemies", are not going to stand by and watch our men and women in uniform and those who support them on the ground continue to die for what? A lie.
Bush got us into it and now it will take Obama to get us out. If you get "McCain the same as Bush" we'll be there either as an occupying military force involved in battle in an unending war since no sense of "victory" has been defined or foreseen in the foreseeable future or as an occupying force as long as no Americans are injured, harmed or killed (but nonetheless we will still loose American military men and women because this is the ME and our nation is hated in the ME and al Qaida is not suddenly going to stop attacking us in Iraq because we no longer declare ourselves an invading/occupying force) for up to 100 years because he doesn't care how long we are there.