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Originally Posted by Mach  And it seems to work fine (they are rich and powerful, gives them a bit of an edge may be why). |
Orthodox Jews practice their religion as they see fit. This means that they invoke certain Jewsih laws when dealing with internal issues. But when it comes to sytate matters, there is no such thing as Jewsih law trumping the laws of the land. Jews have never had the assimilation issues that Muslims have. In fact, nobody has. Even the proud defensive Irish wave of immigrants quickly chose to be Americans rather than immigrants who wished to create a "New Ireland."
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Originally Posted by Mach Sure they had muslim riots in France, but we had the Rodney King riots not too long before. |
Nothing to do with what I stated. Blacks taking advantage of a situation to loot their own neighborhood has nothing to do with riots that are focused on jobless youth looking to lash out. Besides, one riot here or there has nothing to do with big picture immigration problems nor does it have anyting to do with how issues have been dealt with.
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Originally Posted by Mach Sure we gave some Native Americans some handouts AFTER we destroyed them 95%. |
Instead of ignoring the Native American, we commenced to right as best we could a wrong. We continue to do so.
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Originally Posted by Mach Sure we solved a lot of our African American issues AFTER we enslaved them, FOUGHT A CIVIL WAR, then fought a "cold war of predjudice" for decades. |
Instead continuing slavery, we fought a Civil War. Instead of kicking out Africans after the Civil War, we accepted existence. A century later we marched for their civil rights.
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Originally Posted by Mach Hell, our election may end up being decided on issues of predjudice, can the blue dogs and the south vote black? Jury still out on that. |
The existence of prejudice has nothing to do with what I stated. The difference is how we deal with that prejudice.
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Originally Posted by Mach All I'm pointing out is that the U.S. suffered through this sort of thing, and still does. An no solution was easy, rarely did we pick the "good" choice up front, only after we fumbled for a while. Let's let Britain fumble before we cry foul? |
No, you are seeking ways to ease a big problem by comparing it to issues in America. This will not work, because America has never dealt with issues on the same level as continental Europe. Who cares what Britian does? It's not our problem. The fact that they have proven to as loyal to us as we are to them fills us with a sense of obligation to be there for them, but we don't have any basis to assume our opinions matter. Besides, Britian is not the continent of Europe. Perhaps the greatest body of water is the English Channel. It was not Britian that perfected genocide and ethnic cleansing on the continent. Britian's track record stands aside from those of the continent.
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Originally Posted by Mach To me right now the OP looks to be showing that Muslims want a culture just like the Jewish culture in the U.S. So, they ARE following the U.S. lead, right? I mean, even if they exterminated them, or tried a civil war, at worst they'd be doing what the U.S. did. |
I don't know where you got this idea that Jews are set aside from America. They are subjected to the very same laws as everybody else. The laws of the state trump all. You seem to be dismissing one fact here.... Jews do not plan and execute terrorist plots from within Jewish neighborhoods. Muslims do this in Europe. This is a dangerous thing.
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Originally Posted by Mach I think a portion of Britian and U.S. population fears muslims like they feared communism. Some of it's got basis in justified worry, some of it's just good old fashioned race-hating. |
Some fear Muslims because they are Muslim. Others refuse to acknowledge the threat at all. And then there are those who can see past the fear and see the issue clearly. I believe you are attempting down play the issue. The funny thing about this is that even Muslims do not speak against their problem children beyond the suttle remarks. Fewer still even care to defend Islam against their own monsters. If we were to blame someone for the world view of Islam today, we should blame all those moderate good natured Muslims who remain silent as their monsters define Islam for them.
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Originally Posted by Mach Partially in jest, but I think the best way to integrate a culture is to show the youth what your culture has to offer, and leap frog over the less open-minded adults. That's how we do it in the U.S. anyway  |
Even in America we see Muslims flee from assimilating. Unlike the immigrants of the past, Muslims send their children to Islamic religious schools. They are not given the chance to mix with different cultures until they are much older. They are not afforded the opportunity to grow up experiencing life outside the Qu'ran and their father's religious prescriptions. The Irish, the Italians, Jews, all of them raised their children with pride in their cultures, but exposed to others. The problem Europe is having is that instead of the level of Muslim immigrant America gets, they are receiving the poor. Worse yet, these poor Muslims are dropping into situations where jobs are far and few between even for the native Europeans.
This is a recipe for disaster. And what example has the continent that perfected ethnic cleansing and relocation given us in history?