Can you provide non-religious reasons as to why this land should be owned by Israel?
I didn't provide any "religious" reasons. I provided a HISTORICAL EVIDENCE. The revelation in mt. Sinai (and also the Exodus prior to it) isn't a "religious" reason. It's a HISTORICAL EVIDENCE.
All the members of the nation of Israel witnessed this revelation in mt. Sinai in which G-d spoke the commandments to this nation (in the opposite to "religions" which are invented pagan dreams which nobody witnessed and which were forced on many nations IN THE OPPOSITE TO THE WORDS OF G-D, read
this link). All the members of the nation of Israel received the book of Torah which says that they witnessed its giving.
*** [All the Jews must keep commandments! Therefore don't speak about "religious Jews" but about OBSERVANT Jews who keep the commandments that their ancestors got in mt. Sinai. The majority of the Jews in Israel do keep the majority of the commandments, and I have information about it. Secular Jews doesn't mean atheist ones!]
Same goes for the covenant between G-d and the gentiles e.g. the 7 Noachide commandments. And I'm reminding you for the 2nd time that commandments are laws of behavior that G-d gave us humans.
G-d hates religions. Religions cause wars, pogroms, crusades, blood libels (also today in Europe), inquisition, holocaust, Jihad terror attacks.
G-d wants Jews to follow 613 commandmets (and the 10 commandments as their basis, minus the ones which are relating to the temple, they will be re-implemented in the future) and gentiles to follow 7 commandments.
Judaism isn't a "religion", Judaism is a HISTORICAL COVENANT! And the state of Israel isn't a state for the Jewish "religion" but for the Jewish people (descendants of Judah). The states in the world aren't based upon religions but upon nationalities.
There's no Christian/Islamic nation, there's a Christian/Islamic religion which were forced on many nations. A Christian/Muslim believer in Egypt has no ethnic connection to a Christian/Muslim believer in Germany. They belong to 2 different nations.
There's no Jewish religion, there's a Jewish nation which was exiled 2000 years ago and was scattered among all countries. A Jew (descendant of Judah) in Egypt has an ethnic connection to a Jew in Germany because they belong to the same nation.
A Jew in Egypt isn't "an Egyptian/Arab who believes in Judaism". Jews and Arabs belong to 2 different nations. Jews are descendants of Judah (and of Israel) and Arabs are descendants of Ishmael and Esau.
Same goes for a Jew in Germany who isn't "a German who believes in Judaism". Jews and Germans belong to 2 different nations. Even a Jew who believes in Buddha is still a Jew (although evade one) in the same way your son will always be your son even if he will believe that an alien from Mars is his real father and not you.
As I said, Judaism isn't a religion but a covenant and a nationality. You can't convert to being a Jew because you can't convert your nationality. A Jew can become Chinese tomorrow? Of course not! He can move to China or to be a citizen of China but a Jew isn't Chinese, he isn't a descendant of Cin.
Same goes for gentiles who want to follow 613 commandments. They aren't called Jews but Ger Tzedek. Ger is alien/stranger and Tzedek is righteousness in Hebrew. They aren't Jews because they aren't called Jews. Even in the 18th morning prayer they are mentioned in the name of Ger Tzedek, when we ask G-d to have mercy on us
and on the Ger Tzedek. They aren't Jews because they aren't descendants of Judah. If they were Jews then they would be called Jews.
The fact that they aren't Jews doesn't say that they aren't full members in the Jewish community nor that they are treated differently than the Jews. They are as Jews and they are in the same status of Jews.
Listen G-Man,
Jews are commanded to live in the land of Israel! Living in the land of Israel is the MAIN part of the Jewish essence!
G-d is Zionist, he wants the Jews to live in their homeland because he wants them separated from the gentiles. He said that. G-d doesn't like when Jews are living abroad, it's a dangerous place for them, they might get murdered, that's what happened, that's what happening also now.
He said that they would get addicted to the idolatry of the gentiles and will abandon the laws of behavior (commandments), that's what happened and that's what happening now, almost 50% of the Jews in USA marry non Jews. Go and read in the Torah (you better do it in Hebrew) what G-d said about the outcome of that.
I saw you keep mentioning NK. I related to them more than once in this forum. I see you keep spreading lies about Israel using NK,
here's an updated information about them.
Which Arab countries do you think do not belong to the Arabs?
Oh, are you asking seriously?
All the 20 which they occupied when they got out of the dumpster of Saudi Arabia their homeland. Let's talk about 3 of them.
The language talked in Egypt is the same language talked in Syria and in Iraq, the Arab language.
The names that the people in Egypt give to their children aren't different than the names that their brothers and sisters in Syria and in Iraq give to their children, Arab names.
The tradition in Egypt, Syria and Iraq is the same, the Arab tradition.
The mentality of the people in Egypt, in Syria and in Iraq is the same mentality, the Arab mentality.
The food eaten in Egypt is the same in Syria and in Iraq, the Arab food.
The people in Egypt, in Syria and in Iraq believe in the same murderous pagan dream, the Islam. The ancestors of these people started to slaughter Jews not only since 1860 when the Jews got out of the old quarter of Jerusalem to build new neighbourhoods (because they suffered from density and diseases) but since the days of Mohammad who slaughtered Jews in Saudi Arabia who refused to accept his dreams:
Jerusalem, too, underwent the process of Islamization: at first Muhammad attempted to convince the Jews near Medina to join his young community, and, by way of persuasion, established the direction of prayer (kiblah) to be to the north, towards Jerusalem, in keeping with Jewish practice;
but after he failed in this attempt he turned against the Jews, killed many of them, and directed the kiblah southward, towards Mecca.
Full article inside
There's no Egyptian nation, there's no Syrian nation, there's no Iraqi nation, there's no Jordanian nation, there's no Lebanese nation etc.
What there is is an ARAB nation, the most greedy nation in the world, which went out of Saudi Arabia and occupied 20 countries which weren't belong to them, forced the dreams of Islam on the residents there and turned these countries to Arab ones. And self-righteous persons like you don't have any problem with that. They don't even understand what I'm talking about. You have problems with couple of Jews who returned to their homeland.
If you have never seen the ME, if your father has never seen it, nor his father, nor his fathers father, nor his fathers fathers father, nor his fathers fathers fathers father nor any member of your family for hundreds and hundreds of years then I do not believe a place thousands of miles away from where you live is your 'homeland' no. Certainly not when the land that you claim is already occupied and has been so for hundreds of years.
I also didn't see the wedding of my great great grandfather and I know he got married. He had a document that proved he got married, with witnesses signed on it. We also have a document for our ownership of this land, read below. Do you have an ownership document for the land you are standing on?
Jews have been living in the land of Israel since more than 3400 years ago, much before the Arabs got out of Saudi Arabia and occupied parts of this land as they did to other 20 countries. Are you denying the fact that there was a Jewish state here? Are you denying the fact that there were Jewish kings here? Are you denying the fact that there was a Jewish capital here? Are you denying the fact that there was a Jewish temple here? Are you denying the fact that G-d never commanded the Arab gentiles to build a pagan temple in the most holy place for Jews?
There were Jews who continued to live here and weren't exiled by the Romans. Jewish communites were in Jerusalem, in Haifa, in Tiberias, in Safed. In the last 2000 years there were more Jews here than Arabs.
This place belongs to the Jewish nation, it's a legacy of the Jewish nation.
We have the ownership document of it.
We were exiled and now by all right we came back. G-d said that we will come back. And by all right the Arabs will stop their terror occupation in the middle east in general and in the land of Israel in particular and will return back to from were they got out - Saudi Arabia. You know when it will happen? When there will be peace. Your thread is about "peace". You know when there will be peace? When Israel will destroy its enemies. Completely. Until now Israel only played with its enemies.
We don't care about what imaginations non Noachide gentiles like you believe in. We care about what we KNOW!
You think you can say whatever you want and do whatever you want, well you are very wrong.
The title is 'Jewishmag' - if you want me to read a soure then fine. I have no problem with reading what others put up but ONLY if the source can be deemed to be independent. There is no way you can seriously expect someone to accept that as an unbiased source. Find a different source and post it and I will read it.
Oh, so if it's a Jewish website it doesn't tell the truth? You want to hear also the "other side"? If someone would murder one of your family members would you be interested in hearing "his side" also?
I have enough dealing with one extremist in Vader let alone another :rofl
Hey look you all, G-Man our little kid has learned a new word in kindergarten today: "extremist"!
Why do you call Dr. Mordechai Kedar "extremist"? Only because he speaks the truth about the Koran and about Jerusalem? You call every Jew who speaks the truth "extremist"? It seems that for you every Jew who got out of your ghettos and death camps is "extremist". Even the Arab interviewer in Al-Jazeera was left stunnded from the correct answers of Dr. Kedar so he asked him to move on to the next topic.
Can you guys source anything which has sound reasoned arguments?
So the truth isn't reasonable enough for you? From reading your posts one can easily declare that Josef Goebbels couldn't ask for a better successor than you.
I won't relate to things that I already gave you answers about, no matter what you will say, I don't care what Amalekites like you say.
