Originally Posted by prometeus

Bodhisattva,

I believe I have fair reasoning skills and still fail to see the validity of your accusation, so why don't you explain as offered?

Yes, I do have two grown children and I assure you that I am not lost, I also know when I became a father and when my wife became a mother. My wife and I love our children very much, always did and always will, not only instinctualy as parents, but for the joy they brought to us and continue to do so. That however does not change at all my view on your "no-brainer" assertion.
On the contrary, your continued assertion is convincing me that you either do not understand what motherhood is, or are being deliberately obtuse and combative. In my previous post I specifically raised the the issue of "what makes a parent?" in an attempt to underscore the complexity of the notion that seems so simple to you.
As I mentioned this before, at least Gladiator offered in his post reasoning, which you still did not.

On the chance that you did not think it through, let me ask you these questions:

In the case of an egg fertilized in a lab who is the mother? The donor of the egg or the woman who will be implanted with the fertilized egg? what if the egg is not implanted? What if the egg does not implant but is eliminated as so many are, was the woman a mother without even knowing it? What is a woman who raises an infant just a few days old and loves that child as if she gave birth to it? What about a father? If a mother "becomes" one at the same time a man has to become one too. The same questions apply. Does a sperm donor become a father too?