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Originally Posted by Ikari So is the concept of "personhood", it's completely arbitrary. |
Yes to a large extent it is arbitrary. That however does not invalidate it. Moralty is too subjective to form the basis of anything that can be imposed on an entire society.
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sometimes yes, sometimes with reason.
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Yes with reason. Abortion is a reason.
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That had more to do with rights and the ability of self-governance (also to keep money and property). While the killing was regrettable, and not something to endorse (it's not an ok thing to do), we can own up to the fact that we did it. Feel pity and sorrow for having to take the life of another.
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Abortion has to do with self-governance and it can be regretted and learned from, but that does not make it necessary to render it illegal.
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Ok, first off, you're going to have to show me where I said it never happens. I merely said it wasn't ok. And what was done to the Indians was horrible, one of the darkest times I would say. We slaughtered the piss out of them, it happened. It wasn't ok.
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I did not imply that you denied it, I just wanted to show that man has been and will be killing as lonf as man will exist and the reasons will differ.
Over all I do agree that we should kill as little as possible, but keep in mind that most killings happen because someone wants to impose their view or values on others. Perhaps with time there will be less and less need to kill, but till then if we are to achieve a reduction we should concentrate on the areas that affect the most and the areas that are readily and with lasting effect eliminated. Poverty, disease, war, are far better targets for that.