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Originally Posted by niftydrifty  what do you mean by "true?" the scientific version of "true?" or the religious meaning of "true?" |
You want me to define the word "is" Mr. Clinton?
True means true, if any amount of mysticism allows something that does not logically follow from true premises to be regarded as without contradiction, then said claim is not true. For contradictions do not exist, and logical fallacies cannot be excused away.
A fable containing allegorical value is not by true by any valid standards. The messages, parables and morals may be true regarding the human condition, but one must never overstate that case.
If we do agree on what can be regarded as true, by correlation we can never agree on what can be regarded as logically valid.
Either way, stop being obtuse, you know what he meant by "true story." Its certainly true, that its a story...
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Originally Posted by niftydrifty the story isn't ridiculous at all. it's a cool story. |
I think it sucks, you should read the Golden Compass. Thats a pretty cool story!
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Originally Posted by niftydrifty it's a religious story. religion speaks to matters of the spirit. not history. there is accountability. what's convenient is for you to try to force a square peg into a round hole and then to say, "see? it's a lie." |
Tell me, how long in the history of biblical theology has said story been considered allegorical? How long has this peg been square? Did the forces of modernization not file away a significant number of pegs that were originally round over the centuries?
Are there not in fact Christians alive in this modern day who profess that this peg is in fact round?
EDIT: Speak of the devil... see next post.[/EDIT]
The fact is, there are many pegs, they all came from the same factory: you've simply cherry picked the one that suits your world view. Thankfully you're one of the few in said factory's customer base that does not deny science.