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USA... Good or Evil

USA...Good or Evil

  • USA Good

    Votes: 28 66.7%

  • USA Bad

    Votes: 4 9.5%

  • Not Sure

    Votes: 10 23.8%
  • Total voters
    42
Bodhisattva said:
USA... Good or Evil.

The United States is the single largest donor of foreign economic aid, but, unlike many other developed nations, Americans prefer to donate their money through the private sector, according to a new report published by a Washington research organization.

Of the $122.8 billion of foreign aid provided by Americans in 2005 (the most current data available), $95.5 billion, or 79 percent, came from private foundations, corporations, voluntary organizations, universities, religious organizations and individuals, says the annual Index of Global Philanthropy.

United States Is Largest Donor of Foreign Aid, Report Says

This story caught my eye, and I started thinking about all those that hate America and do everything in their power to slight the cause of freedom just so that they can point out how bad America is compared to something truly bad.... like Saudi Arabia or China or the Caste System. What do you think, you know what I think...

Famine fears for North Korea, aid group warns - CNN.com
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The data is a little deceiving. The USA is the largest single donor of foreign aid, but per capita, it ranks about the worst of industrialized nations despite being one of the richest.

The vast bulk of private overseas donations are not to organizations that assist developing countries but are remittances to family members, not surprisingly to countries from which the immigrants immigrated, some of the largest being Mexico, Puerto Rico, and Cuba.

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More than half of all U.S. assistance to developing countries, $61.7 billion, came in the form of private remittances by individuals living in the United States to their families abroad, the report says.
 
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aegyptos said:
I rest my case, NP.
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I wonder if he actually means it.........When I was in the Navy I vistied a couple of communist countries and they were not places.........
 
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Slainte said:
I agree.

I was making more of a general point seeing how some people were trying to turn this into a Germany vs US thread.
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I believe Volker and a couple of the Bush haters did that
 
Navy Pride said:
6 million jews and 60 million of other nationalities can never be forgotten or forgiven........
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They don't have to forgive me, because I did not do something to them.

If someone from Israel would come to me and tell me "I forgive you", I would think of her him to be crazy.
 
Iriemon said:
The data is a little deceiving. The USA is the largest single donor of foreign aid, but per capita, it ranks about the worst of industrialized nations despite being one of the richest.

The vast bulk of private overseas donations are not to organizations that assist developing countries but are remittances to family members, not surprisingly to countries from which the immigrants immigrated, some of the largest being Mexico, Puerto Rico, and Cuba.

From the cited report:

More than half of all U.S. assistance to developing countries, $61.7 billion, came in the form of private remittances by individuals living in the United States to their families abroad, the report says.
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Do you have any clue about how much money and aid goes out of this country from charities and religious organizations? Its in the billions....
 
Volker said:
Whereever I travel, it looks like people like Germans, but they don't like Americans.
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Well then I guess you don't travel to the former Eastern Bloc or Israel. Furthermore; the last time I checked France, Germany, the U.K., and Canada now have very pro-American leaders so...

My country's name has been cleared long ago.
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Ha. Only in your own mind.

The problem is, we repeat old mistakes by allowing Americans to do what we do here.
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You mean like trading Iraqi civilians lives for oil through back door oil treaties during the sanctions or German companies like Karl Kobe selling him the chemical weapons facilities which he used to make the Sarin which he dropped on the Kurds during the al-Anfal campaign?
 
Volker said:
They don't have to forgive me, because I did not do something to them.

If someone from Israel would come to me and tell me "I forgive you", I would think of her him to be crazy.
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Yeah but your country and ancestors did..........Are you proud of them?
 
Navy Pride said:
Do you have any clue about how much money and aid goes out of this country from charities and religious organizations? Its in the billions....
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Why don't you enlighten us.
 
1069 said:
That makes about as much sense as saying you don't know how an American can lift his eyes from the ground, because of what we did to Native Americans, then to African Americans.
Don't forget, the holocaust was over by the mid-40s... Jim Crow went on through the sixties, and continued in isolated pockets until well into the seventies. Mid-seventies.

So tell me, how can you lift your eyes?
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We have done more in our short time as a nation to have equal rights for all of our citizens then any other country has EVER done in a comparable amount of time. There has never been a country which has wielded so much power with such magnaminity as the U.S., and there has never been a country which has sacrificed as much blood and treasure to bring liberty to long oppressed peoples as ours. As a matter of fact many of the Founding Fathers were in fact opposed to slavery John Adams for example and Jefferson all though a slave owner himself wanted a clause in the Declaration of Independence abolishing slavery; furthermore, he did help pass a statute that abolished slavery in all federal lands and was only one vote shy of outlawing it in the states as well. What must be realized is that this country was very close to not being formed at all and the contentious point of slavery would have been a deal breaker for the south, at the time independence was more important than the abolishment of slavery.

Furthermore; the U.S. never engaged in a genocide against the African Americans or the Native Americans an ethnic cleansing of the latter yes, but never a genocide. And slavery ended long before European colonialism. Not to mention that the holocaust was just a rather large pogrom the likes of which the Europeans have a long and illustrious history of perpetrating against the Jewish people.
 
Volker said:
They don't have to forgive me, because I did not do something to them.
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You walk on their bones. Every breath you take, you inhale their atoms. Is German barbarism and savagery genetic, do you think? Or is it cultural?
 
Volker said:
Whereever I travel, it looks like people like Germans, but they don't like Americans.
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1069 said:
My dad travels in Europe frequently- mostly Spain and Italy- in the company of a German acquaintance, and that's been his experience.
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Well that's not surprising their countries were aligned with the Axis and fascist too, they and the Germans have a very similar history of oppressing and slaughtering the masses. I think that they're just mad that the U.S. didn't allow them to subjugate the entire world under absolute despotism. Which brings me onto my next question: "what is Europe's problem with spreading democracy?" Do they just naturally have an affinity for tyranny? I think so.
 
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aegyptos said:
You walk on their bones. Every breath you take, you inhale their atoms. Is German barbarism and savagery genetic, do you think? Or is it cultural?
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So what are you saying. All white Americans today are responsible for slavery because we walk on their bones and every breath we take, we inhale their atoms? Was American barbarism and savergy genetic, do you think? Or is it cultural?

You're right. It does sound stupid.
 
1069 said:
The United States is not "most of the world", although we may think we are... and apparently the US is the only country that still holds this opinion of Germany and its citizens.
The Japanese were even worse; during the Rape of Nanking, a German Nazi official stationed in Nanking allowed hundreds of Chinese girls and women to hide in his house and walled garden, to protect them from his allies, the Japanese, because he couldn't stand the atrocity unfolding before his eyes.
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Ya I think that's because Nazi's prefer to not see the atrocities unfold so as to feign ignorance later on.
 
Iriemon said:
So what are you saying. All white Americans today are responsible for slavery because we walk on their bones and every breath we take, we inhale their atoms? Was American barbarism and savergy genetic, do you think? Or is it cultural?

You're right. It does sound stupid.
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Umm foreign governments didn't have to spend blood and treasure to end slavery in the U.S., we did that ourselves. Your analogy falls short due to the fact that it was predominantly white Americans who fought against slavery and the same can be said of equal rights.
 
aegyptos said:
How many WW2 American war criminals can you name? Four or five? I can name thousands of German war criminals just off the top of my head.
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Yes, because German war criminals go through the press and through the media, why American war criminals do not get named. But American war crimes were easy to see everywhere in Germany, they still found American and British bombs in the ninetees in Dresden.

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Whole regiments of them. Every German old enough to read and write knew about the extermination of the Jews.
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This is unlikely, in Germany this was not published.

aegyptos said:
That makes all of them accessories to crimes against humanity.
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You are an American, Americans are in Iraq, this makes you an accessory to crimes against humanity. But still you think, other people should be ashamed of something they have nothing to this?

This is not logical.

aegyptos said:
Not just the SS but the Heer took part in war crimes all over Europe. That makes the entire army war criminals and accessories.
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The same can be said about your Air Force, your Army, your Navy, your Marine Corps, your whole ridiculous "greatest generation". The difference is, Americans were informed about their own crimes. This makes it worse for you.

aegyptos said:
Sin is too small a word to describe German war guilt.
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It was your word, not mine.
 
Iriemon said:
So what are you saying. All white Americans today are responsible for slavery because we walk on their bones and every breath we take, we inhale their atoms? Was American barbarism and savergy genetic, do you think? Or is it cultural?

You're right. It does sound stupid.
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There has been no slavery in this country in 150 years............NAZI Germany was around 60 years ago and you can bet there are a lot of German living that sympathized with the NAZIS.........Don't think there are any slavery sympathizers around anymore........
 
Originally Posted by Iriemon
The data is a little deceiving. The USA is the largest single donor of foreign aid, but per capita, it ranks about the worst of industrialized nations despite being one of the richest.

The vast bulk of private overseas donations are not to organizations that assist developing countries but are remittances to family members, not surprisingly to countries from which the immigrants immigrated, some of the largest being Mexico, Puerto Rico, and Cuba.

From the cited report:

More than half of all U.S. assistance to developing countries, $61.7 billion, came in the form of private remittances by individuals living in the United States to their families abroad, the report says.
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Navy Pride said:
Do you have any clue about how much money and aid goes out of this country from charities and religious organizations? Its in the billions....
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Navy Pride said:
Billions of dollars in AID and money...Its not debateable.......
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Why don't you enlighten us? Go ahead. You wrote your insulting smarny little post that I don't have a clue.

So I'm giving you the chance to prove it. Since you've asserted I'm so clueless, please enlighten us as to how much annual foreign aid is given by charties and religious organizaiton that shows just how clueless my post is.
 
Volker said:
Yes, because German war criminals go through the press and through the media, why American war criminals do not get named. But American war crimes were easy to see everywhere in Germany, they still found American and British bombs in the ninetees in Dresden.
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Dresden was not a war crime, no German officers were ever tried for the air raids on London there sport. Why? Because it wasn't a war crime.

Name the war crime that America has committed that was actually a war crime when we committed it. No ex-post facto charges please.
 
Volker said:
You are an American, Americans are in Iraq, this makes you an accessory to crimes against humanity. But still you think, other people should be ashamed of something they have nothing to this?
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The Iraq war is perfectly legal. What crimes against humanity bub? We prosecute our own war criminals, unlike Germany.
 
Navy Pride said:
I wonder if he actually means it.........When I was in the Navy I vistied a couple of communist countries and they were not places.........
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Yes, I mean it.
 
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