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Originally Posted by AsIseeIt  1. You have changed the words and, therefore the meaning, of my statement. Nowhere in my original statement had I mentioned anything about "Western soil". |
I was simply extending the scope of discussion. I originally (on the other thread) asked jfuh if he had any knowledge of
any Chinese pro-Tibet protests anywhere in the world. Neither he or I had seen any. As I then went on to say - the absolute homogeneity of non-Tibetan Chinese (usually Han) pro-China demonstrators was and remains deeply suspicious.
You will find Americans protesting against American Policy, you will find British protesting at British policy etc etc - but the almost total lack of any Han Chinese protesting or saying something wrong is being done in Tibet arouses my suspicions. Before jfuh says "there is nothing wrong going on (from the Chinese or Han point of view - that is not my point) in Tibet" - my point is the almost 100% lack of protest. The history of Tibet is disputed between jfuh and myself but I am simply suspicious.
So........ the reason for the thread was not to lose that particular aspect. There is another thread to discuss Tibet / Hawaii or any other Nation / disputed region. This thread was about Chinese protesters anywhere in the world - of which until I saw footage from Hong Kong - there were none.
I found it most telling that the only pro-Tibet Chinese were also pro-democracy protesters and then that they are called "traitors". To me that speaks of a mindset that maybe (in my opinion) a small proportion of Chinese
don't display. That maybe there is a historical and cultural mindset that includes jfuh.
He spoke once of the shared shame of British and Japanese imperialism and the effect a lack of ability to control one's own land and affairs the Chinese may have - explaining the reaction to any external views on Tibet. I just wonder if any Chinese would contemplate how the Tibetans may feel? Do their wishes to control their own cultural and sovereign affairs matter to any Chinese apart from those few in Hong Kong?
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Originally Posted by AsIseeIt Below is the original statement in my previous message: |
I refer you back to the answer above.
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Originally Posted by AsIseeIt That is not my point of view. My opinion is that no nations, not even the Western democratic countries, can tolerate ALL protests without some forms of police intervention, brutality or arrests at some time or another. |
So your method was to try and paint police brutality to be the ultimate end result of allowing free and democratic rights?